People who have never experienced being in family court

[SavanahXx]

It really does my head in when people side with social services. They have an opinion that "they are just doing what's best for the child". These people that have the opinion mostly have never even had involvement with SS, therefore don't see the lies and manipulation of a situation that they use.

It's easy for them to say that a parent 'could pose a risk' but do you know how hard it is to prove you wouldn't?

I seen an utterly revolting article that really baffled me. Social workers manage to get away with this stuff daily. Yet its not reported as it should be. This child was removed, with a judges permission. Then placed back with the mother by another judge.
There is so much corruption in our society and it needs to change.

www.google.com/amp/s/www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/06/13/social-worker-criticised-child-taken-away-mother-refused-give/amp/

Try reading it properly TwoPups

You read it properly Ethel. I know what it's about. Geldof was the instigator of the Father's Rights Group. He made a bloody nuisance of himself, so much so that Father's wanting custody from The Courts walked away from him.

The report was taken from 'The Custody Minefield'. It says on the bottom of your report in case you hadn't noticed.

Anyway my time is done trying to reason with 2 year olds. I gave that up a while ago. There is simply no point.

I don't think anything about it as we are hearing 1 side of a story we don't know what happened. If your hoping I'll say "oh god it's awful I agree" that's not going to happen. OP hasn't helped herself slagging of the authority as a whole and then go on to bitch about foster carers making absurd comments about new cars and garden furniture , they can spend their money as they choose it is a job for which minimal pay is received given the amount of hours put in if they want to buy garden furniture who the fuck cares 🤷‍♀️

Do you still want to engage @jennymanara I've posted a query for you at 18.53?

OP hasn't helped herself slagging of the authority as a whole and then go on to bitch about foster carers making absurd comments about new cars and garden furniture , they can spend their money as they choose it is a job for which minimal pay is received given the amount of hours put in if they want to buy garden furniture who the fuck cares

This

OP also ignored anyone challenging her on her absurd foster carer comments on the last few pages so🤷🏽‍♀️

X post jenny thank-you, very informative reply. However I think you'll find that Bob Geldof "slagged off" the system more than OP?

It isn't possible to argue in detail about any case as we are only ever going to hear one side.
No one is going to think going to court so soon after giving birth is a good idea.
In the LA I worked in usually the family would be closely monitored in hospital and if dc needed to be removed this would be done on a voluntary basis at first to prevent court proceedings, if proceedings hadn't been set up in advance.
There are cases when dc, even tiny babies were safer in foster care than their natural parents.
If the mother was returning to a sexual abuser of dc for example. Sadly dc aren't always put first by their birth family.

It's evident that some posters on here are completely unable to recognise the damage and trauma being inflicted on a number of babies and children unnecessarily, in this country. This is concerning, particularly if they themselves are parents.

I doubt there are many, if any people working in child protection as whole who wouldn't acknowledge the trauma to dc of removing them from their birth parents.
Sadly for many dc in the child protection system there are no good options only least worst ones.

dreichhighlands Assuming OP is telling the truth (which personally I don't doubt) would you agree that was inhumane?

Self denial and learning to face or admit the truth, is a very difficult thing. You all have my sympathy.

OP I came on here to comment, read a few pages then jumped to the last few. This has probably been explained to you and the others joining the 'we've been wronged' brigade but Children's social workers act for the child. So whilst there is lots of support for parents to make changes we cannot hang around until they have the motivation or willingness. It is also incredibly hard to make changes with parents who have no insight or are unwilling to make change.

To get a case to court as a social worker is very hard. Even when I know that a child is being damaged through ongoing and potential harm due to parents not working to make changes (see above) building evidence is hard unless there is an immediate risk. These cases are often the most damaging for children, being left whilst in the situation. We are expected to try everything and I am mostly happy to do so because I know the outcomes for children in care or even placed within family. We must meet legal threshold and we do not just get to decide one day 'let's go to court'. It is a process and we probably leave things longer than we should because it is expected that children should stay with parents if 'good enough'. And mostly we get there.

Finally, if things are so bad that a child being in care or placed elsewhere (with all the emotional harm that can cause) would be best, we have to get senior management approval to go to court. We must show that we have tried EVERYTHING unless this is a very obvious immediate risk case (which most are not). At court all of our plans/assessments/evidence are scrutinised and both parents and the children have their own independant legal representation and the child/ren have an independent advocate from CAFCASS. Parents are given very clear timescales to demonstrate they can safely have children in their care and IT IS IN THE CHILD'S interests. The judge then makes the decision where they should live.
So in summary

• social workers do not decide to remove children, the family courts do.

-within the court process parents are independently represented and have the oppurtunity to demonstrate that the children should be in their care. -Children are represented independently form Social Care and the Courts place a huge amount on this evidence.

Hope this helps.

Self denial and learning to face or admit the truth, is a very difficult thing.

That's something that the OP also needs to do regarding her comments about foster carers, no?

@auntethel your just trying to get people going with that stupid comment, talk about attention seeking , we don't need your sympathy 😂. All the best with your hate campaign, you should take to the streets, contact the daily mail go all out, good luck

@willstarttomorrow Interesting post but my dc were emotionally harmed by SS. Not only was nothing done in their interest, their lives were deliberately sabotaged. This may not happen in every case but we are hearing about it more and more. OP had to leave her newborn to attend court 10 hours after the birth. This messed up the breastfeeding for a while because baby was given a bottle during her absence.In your experience does this happen a lot and how do you feel about it?

wishing please tell me you don't have children? Your lack of empathy is astounding. Nevertheless, good luck. Maybe some counselling?

Ive only ever gone to court for a newborn once. This did happen soon after the birth as mum wanted the case in court rather than voluntarily agreeing for the child to be placed in care. She was not expected to attend court as her solicitor voiced her views for her.

She stayed at hospital spending time with her baby.

Listen, I really do understand that the truth is hard to face. DH and I wouldn't have believed it until it happened to us. So I do genuinely sympathise and sincerely hope it doesn't happen to any of the sceptics on this thread.

mrsed1987 well that certainly sounds more humane. Thanks for that. What do you think about the way it was done for OP and baby?

Im surprised. I personally would not expect a mum to go to court so soon after having a baby and also would have thought the mother's solicitor would also suggest they remain at hospital, rather than attending court.

mrsed1987 would you consider it to be inhumane?

What are your views on Sir Bob Geldof article @16.50, if you don't mind me asking mrsed1987?

As someone who comes across social workers a lot due to my career I find they tend to step in WAY too late and focus so much on keeping the family together that some children are left in poor situations for way too long in the interest of giving the parents yet another chance. I have never come across a case where social services intervention was not needed.

I also find those complaining that social services steal children, force adoption etc. are parents who cannot see and refuse to accept that they are not good parents and so they find it easier to blame someone else.

There are of course good and bad in every profession but social workers don’t make decisions to remove children, judges do. The profession is heavily regulated to prevent poor practice separating families without due course.

Im actually sick of hearing that those who complain about social services are not good parents. I actually hope you do not have children and if you do, I hope you don't past down your disgusting views. You have no idea what they are like until you have dealt with the bad ones. Until you see them lie for yourself. Till you go through the destruction they cause. The stigma around parents who have social services involvement and those who complain is vile. It needs to change. People need to wake up and actually see what they can be capable of.