To ask leavers if they would vote differently now it's looking like no deal?

[TheoriginalLEM]

And as such should we go for another referendum?

I voted to remain and would continue to do so even if a deal was possible. However it is apparent that a deal isn't going to happen. Was it ever really going to be possible?

Would that change the mind of leavers? Or even remainers?

I would prefer to see no deal (even though I know its shit) than for this car crash to continue in slow motion any further.

I could never vote Leave.

I believe our EU membership has benefited my country.

Not one person has shown me a valid, proven reason that leaving the EU is a good idea. Just rubbish they're repeating from the Telegraph or the Daily Mail.

But in a way, I hope we crash out. So that those who think no deal is a good idea can really feel it and watch the wealthy reap the enormous rewards.

Timeforakinderworld..... If you had taken the trouble to read my posts you would see I voted to remain. But unlike some others on here who have reinvented what democracy means, I strongly believe we should now leave, even though yes it will effect me. But also unlike some other's on here I don't have a clue what will happen when we leave, as I said I don't have a crystal ball, nor am I arrogant enough to suggest I do know. Also I do not suscribe to the Doom Doom Doom forecasters. I have lived long enough on this earth to know change can be a force for good as well as bad. I have lived in dire poverty with kids and now I have a good standard of living due to getting off my ass and working hard. I truly believe after seeing government's come and go we will survive. I see opportunity not fucking chaos of those bloody doomsayers. Also my tab needs recharging so I am on my phone making it more difficult to respond, in answer to those lovely people that accused me of running off.

@TheoriginalLEM

Did you get to go on your camping holiday to Scotland?

Yes, double, you are right about mps. It sticks in my craw that a vote is being undermined by the personal opinion of a minuscule % of the population who sit in parliament.
We are sold a party line, and to get that we have to pick the local parry MP, who then has no obligation to actually work with their constituents opinions in mind, only their own.

Regardless, the majority want brexit, and seemingly no-deal too. I do.
We will vote however best enables our previous vote to be listened to.
Maybe next time it will be a Brexit party/Conservative parliament.

This is only happening because people don't like being ignored.

Pensionista, you can’t say in one sentence that you don’t know what will happen and in the next that you don’t believe the Doom, Doom, Doom forecasters. That’s as arrogant as you say you’re not, surely?

And the meaning of democracy is enormously complex. We are talking about two different democratic systems in this issue for a start, representative and direct. Just the Wikipedia page alone gives an idea of the many issues to be unpacked in any conversation about ‘democracy’. It’s intellectually dishonest to reduce it to ‘the will of the people’.

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democracy

KidLorneRoll, . .Well now you've made it patiently obvious you think your opinions are above the rest of us peasants. Your entitled to your opinions but you are not entitled to insult and patronise other people. I could give you plenty of reasons why the EU want a good deal as well as us, but because your attitude stinks I'm done with you. Bye Bye

Reposting my question for those who might have missed it

All those who are saying they’d vote leave again or opt for no deal: how do you propose to deal with the Irish border and the catastrophic impact on Northern Ireland of no deal?

Am now really curious about how the backstop, inserted in process by the UK, is now known as the "anti-democratic" backstop by the cabinet puppets. I've heard Raab repeat it, I guess in the hope it sticks, despite it being factually wrong. But as is so much with the leaver ideology.

Of course it's democratic, in it's form, and esp so as there is now a majority to Remain in the EU in the country.

Voted leave. Would still vote leave. Would rather leave with no deal than remain.

Once we leave and settle down, other countries will follow.

Pensionista, were you about on the older threads when a poster (I think winchesterwoman??) stopped posting because her son came by or something? She was hounded of mumsnet entirely.
I personally rate pretty much any real life activity over keyboard battles 😅, and honestly sometimes just like to spend some time mulling over things before posting back.
I hate this idea that a chat board has to be like a live TV debate 😂😂

Double raspberry... Sorry I don't see how saying I don't know what will happen is in conflict with my belief system of not believing in Doom.

Regardless, the majority want brexit, and seemingly no-deal too.

Untrue. Polls reveal a split country, and frequently now a Remain lead. A majority is technically right on the back of the referendum result, which is the fact we do have, but nothing at all suggests a majority wants No Deal. It’s putting this sort of stuff as Fact that is damaging our genuine democracy.

And I think you choose deliberately to misinterpret my post, or are unwilling to address the points I make.

A minuscule number of people have just chosen our new PM, who has a political agenda that is only supported by a minority of voters. That to me is a far bigger outrage.

If you had taken the trouble to read my posts you would see I voted to remain.

If you had taken the trouble to read MY posts you would see that I know this as I wrote it just above your post.

I don't see how saying I don't know what will happen is in conflict with my belief system of not believing in Doom.

If you don’t know what will happen then how or why do you discount anything at all? Including Doom.

"Bye Bye"

Yeah, much easier to wallow in ignorance.

I guess in the hope it sticks, despite it being factually wrong. But as is so much with the leaver ideology

This x millions. I rarely get into any debates now as I find it so painful to be arguing against demonstrable untruths over and over.

Once we leave and settle down

Can’t wait for this bit.

"We don't know what will happen"

Actually, it's pretty obvious if you have the slightest idea of how reliant on the current EU trade arrangement the economy and millions of jobs are. Even the government know this.

AskMeAboutBoswell...Sorry no, Don't know anything about that thread. I do hesitate to post much on Mumsnet for that reason. However I haven't met anyone yet who could hound me off. I've never been afraid of keyboard warriors lol

Double raspberry.. Oh my God, I haven't discounted anything. I said I don't have a fucking crystal ball. It's futile to get into this stupid argument.

Pensionista

@Pensionista Nobody has a crystal ball. That's why we commission impact reports by experts. We have plenty of those. They all say it's going to be shit. (And yes, once again to be clear I repeat I know you voted remain - I wrote it above!)

But these arguments are what it all boils down to. You say you don’t have any idea, yet you discount Doom scenarios - but many of those are based on actual fact. Some of them are already happening. So it’s faux naivety to say that as if you are genuinely neutral and as if it’s just sophistry that I’ve picked up on it.

The prospect of No Deal lost me a fantastic, much-wanted job this week. That’s a fact. Not a prediction.

Pensionista

You've discounted the scenarios of med and food shortages, how do you know this won't happen? as you've no crystal ball.

Going from one economic model to another unknown one, literally overnight, will bring nothing but misery to the UK, no-one knows the exact detail but the direction of travel is very clear.

Within a month, we will sign whatever the EU puts in front of us.

But double, we haven't left yet! So nothing bad can be put down to brexit, just as any good news in the economy is dismissed as proof we are doing ok is put down as 'we haven't left yet'.