To ask leavers if they would vote differently now it's looking like no deal?

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And as such should we go for another referendum?

I voted to remain and would continue to do so even if a deal was possible. However it is apparent that a deal isn't going to happen. Was it ever really going to be possible?

Would that change the mind of leavers? Or even remainers?

I would prefer to see no deal (even though I know its shit) than for this car crash to continue in slow motion any further.

These threads always end up the same. Remainers being scathing towards leavers. Implying the leavers are either stupid, selfish or racist.

As a leaver I listened to the information that was presented to us all and I voted according to what I felt was right. I did so with a clear conscience and no vendetta towards anyone else. The absolute shit show it's since become is not the fault of any voters who diligently tried to make sense of all the sides of the argument but rather the incompetence of the government.

Bickering and insulting one another is futile and god knows what deals and laws the government are quietly passing whilst we are all in a frenzy about Boris and brexit.

I see what people mean about name calling and insults now...

@MrPan I think you're incredibly rude. People aren't "shit thick" simply because they hold a different opinion to you and/or interpret things differently and/or (gasp) don't know everything - a major reason, surely, for discussion and debate, to hear other viewpoints and take them on board. And, actually if someone is less intelligent than someone else, that doesn't make them "shit".

The four billion wasted so far on (not) leaving is down to useless politicians messing us all around. Even so, it's a lot less than nine billion annually (this is the amount after the rebate is deducted).

One thing I'm not saying is leavers saying, yes I can see why you might be worried about medicine shortages, about recession, about job losses.
They're not even mostly saying yes you might be worried about these things but [insert the benefits of Brexit] To be fair some on this thread have explained that they dont want closer political ties. So maybe for them it's all worth it. That's a conversation that needs to be had.

On the whole leave voters just seem to say things like 'deal with it' or I'd still vote leave. Not so helpful. If questioned, its all 'you're insulting me.'

@cushioncovers whereas being called a Remoaner is the height of politeness.

not seeing*

People who claim they voted remain but would now vote leave are obviously bullshitting. No one who thought remaining in the EU at the time of the referendum would now think Brexit has gone so well that Leave is the best choice. You just don't like to admit you voted Leave and created this mess!

Love that the immediate response to a post from a leaver is accusing of being “far right”. Well you know what, call me far right all you like. Bring on no deal ASAP.

. No one who thought remaining in the EU at the time of the referendum was the best thing for the country

Easy to say bring it on when it won't affect you isn't it Spare a thought for the insulin dependent diabetics, the cancer patients, those already struggling through no fault of their own.

No deal will be completely fine.

Unless your job or business is at risk. But fuck those guys, eh?

A no deal brexit will cost the economy billions. This is a fact, but it's all ok because now we can choose the shape of our bananas and all the expats and pensioners who voted for it won't be affected.

Janista yes bring on the chaos... while you watch safely from the other side of the planet.

Those who want a hard Brexit, any thoughts at all on Northern Ireland and the Good Friday Agreement?
Or do you not care?

I wonder if all the expats will be moving back to live in their voted for utopia come November?

Love that the immediate response to a post from a leaver is accusing of being “far right”. Well you know what, call me far right all you like. Bring on no deal ASAP

Still no comment on the UK government spending "hysteria"? No? Didn't think so.

I think it's disgusting that you can vote when you don't live here, yet EU nationals who do, and pay tax here, couldn't.

I wonder what the result would have looked like if they could?

The leave campaign promised ‘the easiest deal in history’, ‘- slow, well-managed Brexit’.

Funny how leave voters forget about this bit and everyone one of them actually voted for a no-deal.

Brexit has split the country in two, it’s an act of total economic self-harm and the wounds will take many decades to heal. I despair.

@MaxNormal they don't give a flying fuck as it won't affect them.

Spare a thought for the insulin dependent diabetics, the cancer patients, those already struggling through no fault of their own.

That's expecting too much I fear. These are people (and yes I'm including all Leave voters in this one) who voted despite knowing the damage it would do to the GFA and didn't care.

So I think people who don't care about restarting a civil war, don't particularly care about diabetic people or cancer patients.

Leaving the EU was always the view of the far left, staying in the EU is the far right option

Staying in the EU means we keep trading with just white Europeans and have restrictions for trading outside the EU.

leaving the EU leaves us free to trade with Africa, Asia, Australia, America's without the EU imposing restrictions for doing so.

Does anyone know what this deal is everyone keeps going on about anyway?

If we leave with no deal I doubt EU will impose restrictions so we can't spend billions on buying all the European products like cars. BMW and VW need is to buy there cars more then we need them

I have many relatives in the uk who are also quite eager for no deal now- it’s gone on long enough. There will be costs upfront but there would be anyway.

The deal had three chances to get through parliament despite Theresa May saying there’d be no other deal offered. The deal was voted done three times. Parliament also voted down : No deal, customs union, 2nd referendum, and other options. This is due to some in the ERG but also remainers who just wanted to frustrate Brexit in denial of the biggest democratic vote the uk has ever taken.

It’s time to leave and it’s time for a no deal brexit. It will be for the best.

Cinnamon is right.

People who voted remain in the referendum have genuine concerns. It’s not hysteria. We deserve an answer. I gave some initial figures showing how important food imports are to the survival of every man woman and child in the UK.

This is not a drill.

How is it going to work?

You realise that leaving without a deal doesn't mean it's all over in October. It will go on for YEARS after that as the fallout is dealt with. Want it to be over? You want a50 revoked. Then it will be over and we can move on from this utter clusterfuck.

Having a temporarily weaker pound is good for exporters and will turbo charge the uk’s economy. It’s nothing to be worried about.

It would be temporary and BoE planning has included a drop of 25%, that is going to tank the economy not turbo charge it. The price of imports will increase and this will have to be passed into consumers. Businesses will have to scale back which will mean job losses. Interest rates will need to be increased to try and combat inflation.

Remain hysteria is in full flow about food and medicine imports. No deal will be completely fine. Give it a rest*

Britain does not grow/produce enough food to feed itself, we rely on imports to make up the shortfall. If the imports cannot be made due to trade restrictions or distributors and consumers cannot afford the imported goods when the value of the pound drops, food shortages will occur. Ditto medicine shortages.

This is all from the governments own planning documents. It is not Remainer scaremongering.

Lack of critical thinking appears to have a genetic link.

Tonglong we trade with countries everywhere outside the EU right now. Countries include, I’m on my phone so can’t do links to the info, but from memory it’s countries as diverse as Sierra Leone, Kuwait, Peru, Nepal, The Seychelles to name a few in different global regions. We do that through EU agreements and with no EU will have to sort them alone.

How is this going to work?

Leaving the EU was always the view of the far left, staying in the EU is the far right option

Er no, Nigel Farage and the Tories are not far left, by anyone's understanding.

Staying in the EU means we keep trading with just white Europeans and have restrictions for trading outside the EU.

Not all Europeans are white, and please don't try and say that brexit happened to benefit POC, because that just isn't true.

leaving the EU leaves us free to trade with Africa, Asia, Australia, America's without the EU imposing restrictions for doing so.

Wasn't brexit about closing the borders and being self sufficient because we don't need anyone else? Or has the tune changed now reality has set in?

Does anyone know what this deal is everyone keeps going on about anyway?

No, that's the point isn't it? There was never a plan and never a definite deal. But it was voted for anyway.

If we leave with no deal I doubt EU will impose restrictions so we can't spend billions on buying all the European products like cars. BMW and VW need is to buy there cars more then we need them

I'm not really fussed about cars, given the government is talking about food and medication shortages. Luxury cars are a bit of a frippery in comparison.