To ask leavers if they would vote differently now it's looking like no deal?

[TheoriginalLEM]

And as such should we go for another referendum?

I voted to remain and would continue to do so even if a deal was possible. However it is apparent that a deal isn't going to happen. Was it ever really going to be possible?

Would that change the mind of leavers? Or even remainers?

I would prefer to see no deal (even though I know its shit) than for this car crash to continue in slow motion any further.

Haven't RTFT, but how I wish someone would send this whole thread to David Cameron and say "look what you've done". And then lock him in a torture chamber for a month.

Brexit is not an issue that was introduced with thought and reason foremost. It's not an issue that has been infused with information. It's been driven purely by emotion and insults. It's horrible.

Caused by fucking idiots who can only communicate in caps lock and sound bites because heaven forbid they have a thought to call their own!

But at least the thread isn't devolving into the usual drivel.

These threads just decend into name calling.

I'm not whinging, I accept we will leave I'm not saying black is white, the moon's made of cheese, or anyone who voted leave is an ignorant fool a couple of my good friends did they are not idiots but still couldn't identify a clear, tangible benefit .

I've no political attachment to the EU.

I may be fooling myself but I doubt I will personally suffer greatly from leaving I and my family are citizens of another EU country so we won't even have to queue at airports.

Let's hope Boris pulls it off and all is lovely.

However I would still like to know what, in practical terms, the upside of leaving is there may be loads I haven't heard of for all I know.

It seems asking a simple question leaves me open to being accused of wanting to belittle others and whinging - why?

always.

Ah yes, "they'll all soon follow"...

It seems asking a simple question leaves me open to being accused of wanting to belittle others and whinging - why?

Because it neatly deflects from the fact that they have no answer to what benefits it will bring.

Insulting remainers is all they have, because they sure as shite don't have a plan, or any valid reason for wanting it, so shouting insults is all they have.

Otherwise there would be screeds of pages of why they voted leave, why they think it's still a good thing and how they envisage No Deal playing out.

But there aren't.

It seems asking a simple question leaves me open to being accused of wanting to belittle others and whinging - why?

Because these threads always, always end up with name calling and bullshit.

Of all the threads on this I can't think of any that have ended in a polite and civil manner.

There is always someone on one side or the other needling and posting bullshit stereotypes and others that will rise to the bait.

Its not all remainers or all leavers. but there are enough that their presence is just there to goad.

But one of the things that is repeatedly proved on these threads is how divisive the whole issue is.

At heart, Brexiteers think that they as British/English people are better than everyone else and how dare the EU or Ireland not fall into line?

Not at all. I, like many other Brexiters, think most normal everyday people (European or not) are better (morally) than corrupt EU (and other) politicians and bureaucrats. I think the billions we give every year in membership fees is not value for money. Especially as far too much of that money disappears into the pockets of the EU politicians and staff.

Like Boney I would have liked the possibility of trading and friendship relations but withdrawing politically. I think many Europeans across the EU feel the same.

It's alarming that so many think discussing and being asked to produce reasoned arguments is 'belittling'.

This is the future of the country. Yours. Mine. Our kids. It's a bit too important to be posturing and worrying about status over.

InTheHeatofLisbon
Insulting remainers is all they have,

Yet it is you that has called people fucking idiots, pot kettle.

I didn’t vote in the 2016 referendum as live overseas. However so incensed at the way Brexit has been handled i registered to vote for the EU elections a d if there was a second referendum held or GE I will now vote, and definitely vote for parties supporting brexit.

I would also vote for no deal now. Like many others on this thread.

Sadly Boney this seems to be true. 'Divide and rule' may be relevant.

Yet it is you that has called people fucking idiots, pot kettle.

Aye, the stereotypes who shout and insult without actually being able to understand reality.

That's not an insult, it's a statement of fact.

It's also not all Leave voters. It's a certain type of leave voter who neatly fits the stereotype of boorish, stupid, ignorant and aggressive.

Do I think that applies to all of them?

No, I don't.

Like Boney I would have liked the possibility of trading and friendship relations but withdrawing politically.

This was possible but the ERG didn’t want it. Although it does mean obeying all the EU’s trade rules and having no say over them.

I would also vote for no deal now. Like many others on this thread.
Yes, but you don't get to vote for any type of deal, or for no deal, because Leavers are determinedly against any second vote. Apparently they believe too much voting is anti-democratic.

Janista, would you care to explain how you think the ordinary people in Britain would benefit from refusing a deal with our geographically closest neighbours, partners and destroying the alliances and friendships people have worked hard to build for 70-odd years?

Could you please explain how that will work when Britain cannot survive without constant food imports?

Raspberry I guess that's the problem. The lack of say and control. I suppose the ideal is a much reformed EU but I don't see that happening. Which leaves us with needing/wanting a civilised amicable trading agreement. I guess I'm too idealistic or naive because I don't understand why either side would want to make it difficult, surely they want to trade with us considering we export more than we import? As for safety and quality standards, I know I'm too idealistic because I'd want to see a worldwide decent standard for food, medicines, all products really.

A waste of money on EU membership is mentioned. Yet £4bn is spent on the consequence of leaving and the £ crashes ever further down.

I'd think the stereo type of shit thick leavers is being very well evidenced.

Unfortunately their choice is to reduce the life chances of my daughter. And she had no voice in this.

Remain hysteria is in full flow about food and medicine imports. No deal will be completely fine. Give it a rest

Having a temporarily weaker pound is good for exporters and will turbo charge the uk’s economy. It’s nothing to be worried about.

Don't worry MrPan Boris has got it all sorted with his magic money tree that's going to provide the cash for everything the country needs. I'm sure we'll have things like insulin manufacture sorted within 24 hours and be able to make our own water sanitation chemicals. You just need to BeLeave and stop being so pessimistic

Remain hysteria is in full flow about food and medicine imports. No deal will be completely fine. Give it a rest

Given that you don't live in the UK, and clearly don't actually know what's going on your comments only highlight your ignorance.

The information about food and medication shortages is coming from the government, not Remainers.

Try reading the news before you confidently state "facts" which are little more than shite soundbites from the far right.

Remain hysteria is in full flow about food and medicine imports. No deal will be completely fine. Give it a rest

No

There are 65 million+ people in the UK. Each person requires round about 1 acre of land to produce enough food to live on. 1 acre of good land. The UK’s total acreage is 60 million. Much of that is not good. Those imports are vital. How is this going to work?