To ask leavers if they would vote differently now it's looking like no deal?

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And as such should we go for another referendum?

I voted to remain and would continue to do so even if a deal was possible. However it is apparent that a deal isn't going to happen. Was it ever really going to be possible?

Would that change the mind of leavers? Or even remainers?

I would prefer to see no deal (even though I know its shit) than for this car crash to continue in slow motion any further.

wichit would you mind explaining why and why more so now? I really am looking for benefits of leaving not to get into an argument or be rude but to cheer myself up! Same question to you ivegot in what ways is the EU a shitshow and how is leaving going to benefit the UK?

That's the thing Tellmetruth. If you look at who is keen on Brexit - Farage, Trump, the hard-right in this country and European fascists - how can anyone think it's a good idea to support what these people support?

I get that Leavers are unhappy with WA and think that presenting a hardline No Deal position is a way of eking out a "better" version of WA.
What would you say if your partner said "I'm walking out because I can get better than you but give me a blow job when I want one or I will kill myself" (apologies if that is genuinely triggering for some people).
That's how it looks from the EU position.

So come on brexiters. Let's hear the details and the plans. And how spending billions whilst the £ plummets is part of the plan for us all to be prosperous.

Wishing really hard doesn't cut it.

But . . . Can the blonde beast get anything through parliament? Shouting about no deal and insulting all and sundry is all very well but, surely, this rubbish has to go back to parliament at some point before it's finalised? And proroguing? History tells us what happens after that. I don't see how no deal can happen without parliamentary support. What am I missing?

What @Trafalger said although I voted leave and would do again I hope we leave with no deal and I am counting the days until Halloween as it will not go beyond this then this shit show can be over in terms of are we leaving the eu or not

No a deal was never possible while in the EU because why would it negotiate with itself? Other members would then want the same favourable conditions and would be the end of the EU.

We would have to leave and then negotiate a deal. I kind of hope we do. It needs disrupting.

You are very naive if you think "it'll all be over " if we leave with No Deal.
The first whinge I see on here about prices going up and not being able to find stuff in the shops , I will wonder whether that person supported No Deal.
Only last week someone was on here whining about not being able to buy iced lollies in the hot weather. And someone else was complaining about not being able to get fucking ice cubes in the supermarket.
Are you ready for bumpy times or are you still bleating it will be fiiiiiiiine? Grow up.

what good things/positives do you expect to see when we leave with a no deal?

mrssunshine? what are you looking forwards to most?

If we leave the EU there is no U.K left. It would be the break up of the U.K. as we know it. Bye bye Scotland, Ireland and Northern Ireland. We won’t be making trade deals as an United Kingdom; it would be England only and that wouldn’t work. You’ve got to be mad to think we can get out of that one.

I don't see how no deal can happen without parliamentary support. What am I missing?

No deal is the default. If a deal isn’t agreed before 31 October we just leave with no deal. Parliament has to intervene to prevent a no deal, and its only way to do that is to table amendments to government motions. If Parliament isn’t sitting, MPs can’t table any amendments.

mrssunshinexxx I voted leave and would do again I hope we leave with no deal and I am counting the days until Halloween as it will not go beyond this then this shit show can be over in terms of are we leaving the eu or not

The exit date is just the beginning. Did you miss that bit? We will be hearing about brexit for years to come as it takes years to secure trade deals. Have you actually read anything about brexit?

@Littlecaf do you mean wales instead of Ireland?

@Bercows 31st Oct is the end of this continuous arguing from delusional remainders thinking it won't happen. We will be out
Any moron knows there will be deals to be made but do you seriously think countries won't want to trade with us and that other countries won't want to follow now we have taken the plunge

Don't be patronising

@Helmetbymidnight no more of these threads talking bollocks about another referendum it baffles me that anyone thought that was every a possibility

@Helmetbymidnight you??

Well I hope you enjoy your years of trade talks and the uncertainty brexit will bring until everything is sorted.

I'm very much hoping that despite the lack of EU funding for research after Brexit that someone somewhere will come up with a cure for stupid.

Thank you janet, of course, Id lost track of things with all the back and forth to EU and shouting and wrangling. BJ only gets half my attention at the best of times and I mistakenly thought he'd brought something new to it. As you were then.

Bellinsurge I couldn't get ice cubes in the supermarket last week, and I live not that far outside Brussels, so it isn't a Brexit problem!

No one has yet been able to tell me what the consequences would have been if we'd voted Remain, as with the EU there is no status quo. Things change, from moving to QMV, to competencies changing from the national to the EU sphere, to PESCO perhaps being the start of an EU Defence to replace NATO, to the pressure to join the Euro on the member States that still have sovereign currencies. You look at the storm brewing in Italy, Belgium has no government as yet (the longest they have been without one was 541 days, so lots of time to form one left), Greece is still in trouble, and the resentment there for the Troika hasn't disappeared, the gilets jaunts are still active in France, and the Groko is looking shaky in Germany.

If the very best that can be done as the new Commission president is the Chris Grayling of German politics, who has problems hanging over her head from her time as German Minister of Defence, then what does that tell you? Her acceptance by the EP was hardly unanimous either.

I think some of the dissatisfaction with the EU is that it is a rules based organisation...and the UK obeyed and gold plated those rules, whilst other Member States flout or ignore them, and there are no consequences.

I would hope post Brexit we will start to build up our skills base again and see that as an investment. We need people who can design and build nuclear reactors...not buy in the Chinese or French to do it for us for example. We need to value our engineers, we need to invest, and most of all, we need to be able to step in and help companies without being told we can't do so because of EU rules.

"do you seriously think countries won't want to trade with us"

Oh of course they will. At far more advantageous conditions (for them). Or did you think they will be falling over themselves to give the UK the same favorable conditions you would get as a member of the largest trading block in the world?

"and that other countries won't want to follow now we have taken the plunge"

Why wouldn't they, right? Seeing the bed of roses the UK has made for itself, EU countries small and large are lining up to leave the union as I write these words, so all of them can look forward to economic & political crises, currency troubles and expected recession

Leavers please tell me what are the economic and social benefits from leaving the EU and do they outweigh the costs?

@CoteDAzur your telling me for example car traders don't NEED to trade with uk to keep from going bust do you know how many Mercedes , bmw etc that they import ??

@CoteDAzur EQUALLY we want to buy them so it works both way I'm under know illusion we need deals
With parts of eu I wish other people could see things from both sides it's really frustrating and I'm prettt sure I'm not alone

The US has already said there'll be no free trade deal if we have a digital services tax and let's not forget the backtracking when Donald Trump denied he said the NHS would be on the table during negotiations despite there being proof that he did say it. America are not our friends, they're not going to cut us a fair deal.

mrssun - You don't know much about this subject, do you? It's not about car traders wanting to buy & sell. It's about tariffs, quotas, and additional procedures that will make UK exports into the EU more expensive (and hence less attractive), decreasing demand and squeezing profit margins.

Confederation of British Industry estimates that 90% of all UK exports to EU will suffer tariffs after no-deal Brexit. "CBI estimates that non-tariff barriers are likely to hit competitiveness even more than tariffs, especially for smaller companies. Highly regulated industries such as food, chemicals, aerospace and cars would suffer most – subject to new checks for safety and quality standards."

And that's not the worst because "things" like cars make up a small portion of UK economy, most of which is services, mostly financial services. There the outlook post no-deal Brexit is really depressing: UK companies can sell their services to EU customers based on passporting arrangements that will simply cease to exist.

If you are not scared about no-deal Brexit, you just don't know enough about how the world works.