To ask leavers if they would vote differently now it's looking like no deal?

[TheoriginalLEM]

And as such should we go for another referendum?

I voted to remain and would continue to do so even if a deal was possible. However it is apparent that a deal isn't going to happen. Was it ever really going to be possible?

Would that change the mind of leavers? Or even remainers?

I would prefer to see no deal (even though I know its shit) than for this car crash to continue in slow motion any further.

Because "Remain is voting for the status quo" is also rubbish

Why is it rubbish? the EU moves at a snail's pace and we have/had a large seat at the table to steer those changes plus a veto.

mummeeee

I am not belittling your concerns, but no-one who voted leave set out to "kill" anyone.

I didn't say they did

But people advocating no deal need to realise that's the result will be deaths

jasjas1973

The power of the veto is being slowly removed.

The move is to more of a voting system the blocking percentage is currently 35%, this is normally met by us, Germany and some of the smaller countries.

And yes the status quo is changing to deny this is a fallacy. (even if it is at a slow pace)

I voted leave and would again. The rest of Europe will soon follow suit too, many people are now seeing the Globalism for what it is.

It's the people saying

'Aah, no deal won't be so bad, just a bit of short term pain'

They have no idea how vulnerable some people are. They look at their own situation and because they can't see that it will be too serious for them they think we may as well just do it. That sentiment is incredibly dangerous for my family.

mummeeee

Its the same mentality that got us here in the first place.

People not listening to others concerns, and the outright refusal to move from their positions because everyone else is wrong.

neither side comes out of this this covered in glory.

Sigh.

The European Court of Human Rights is nothing to do with the EU or Brussels. It’s based in Strasbourg and its organisational ‘arm’ is the Council of Europe. It makes judgments in line with the European Convention on Human Rights.

The UK is a founder member of the Council of Europe, which promotes human rights and democracy. Its member states go beyond the EU and it will be to our eternal shame if the Rees-Moggs who want us out succeed.

The ECHR judges are elected by the Parliamentary Assembly of the Council of Europe. There is a judge for each member state and owing to

I voted remain but would definitely vote leave now. Trolled, flamed or roasted I don't care. I have found so many remainers to be vicious and belittling at every opportunity and quite frankly I have found it shocking. Had the vote been the other way I'm sure it would have been respected. All votes of this nature are close. If we had another referendum and it was the same vote but the opposite way, what would happen. What if it was a similar outcome again.... Our country would be in ruins by the indecision and businesses would have failed because of it. Why give people a democratic vote if you spend years trying to find a way to manipulate the interpretation of the vote. I have talked to so many other remainers who now want to leave. They have seen the EU for what it really is.

diversity efforts over one third of them are now women.

So no, a case going to the ECHR does not mean ‘Brussels gets the final say’.

Had the vote been the other way I'm sure it would have been respected.

Nigel Farage is on record as saying that if the vote had gone the other way that the Leave campaign would have immediately started campaigning and petitioning for a second referendum.

Pensionista - re "DorisDaysDadDogsDead......So your another one with a crystal ball. How the fuck do you know this ??"

Take a minute to consider the possibility that not everyone is utterly clueless

DorisDays know that any comprehensive trade deal will take long years, like most of us here, because previous such deals have always taken MANY years.

China and your homeland Australia signed a trade deal several years ago. Do you know how long it took to negotiate that deal? Eight fucking years.

Greenland left EU. Do you know how long the trade negotiations took? Three fucking years and all they had to settle was fishing rights.

Now are you feeling lucky re UK going about negotiating for years with every export & import market all by its lonesome?

Boney regardless of the veto, we also had that seat at the table. We will be affected by the EU’s decisions long after we leave, but can do nothing to influence them at all now.

Mummmeee - I want to cry for your child and any child or adult who depends on medication.

It will be tough but we will get through it. I can only hope that the EU won’t allow it to happen.
They will make sure enough drugs get through. There are after all a lot of Eu citizens living in UK.

They know that the biggest problem is the Tory party and Nigel Farage. They won’t abandon us like our own govt will.

I know not one single remainer who would now vote leave. Most are profoundly worried about the state of the country and the prospect of No Deal. I know Leave voters who would still vote leave but I also know some who would now vote Remain. That’s my personal experience. Polls suggest not much has changed, but an overall small shift to remain.

I would still vote remain.
All those people who have fatigue about the whole thing and just want to draw a line under it - you do realise that leaving without a deal is far from drawing a line under it? This will go on for years to come. The uncertainty won’t stop come Halloween.

@littlepaddypaws That is actually fairly easy, a hefty fine is a great incentive though Australia does this with a lower fine. To make this easier everyone that is a citizen should be automatically enrolled when they turn 18, and it is made compulsory to vote.

I know not one single remainer who would now vote leave. Most are profoundly worried about the state of the country and the prospect of No Deal. I know Leave voters who would still vote leave but I also know some who would now vote Remain. That’s my personal experience.

Mine too.

As BoneybackJefferson says, any deaths from medicine shortages would be down to our MPs and civil servants who have had three years to prepare for this but perhaps would rather people's lives were at risk to be able to say "we told you brexit was bad...". Whilst still in the EU, vulnerable people are dying. Increasing numbers dying street homeless, those driven to suicide by DWP sanctions, cuts, brutal sickness assessments.

Perhaps a smaller economy would be no bad thing? We're the fifth largest economy in the world but somehow that doesn't seem to translate to improved, or even liveable, standard of living for many. And these jobs that will be lost. Are they mainly those so poorly paid that people can't survive on the wages and have to turn to food banks or benefits?

Re the European Court of Human Rights. That's separate from the EU, although considering they don't include the right to shelter (housing), which I'd say is a fundamental need, I don't especially think too much of it.

@agilelass Thank you for your reply about the Irish backstop. I do need to learn more, but if I was in government or tasked with Brexit negotiations I would be doing all I could to work out a reasonable solution rather than use it as a convenient excuse not to Brexit. I'm not accusing you of doing that btw. Please don't be offended because I genuinely don't know, but why would it be so bad to have a border that is clearly stated to be between the UK and the EU but the Irish/British relationship and freedom of movement continues? Surely if people want peace they'd accept that?

Re the European Court of Human Rights. That's separate from the EU, although considering they don't include the right to shelter (housing), which I'd say is a fundamental need, I don't especially think too much of it.

Eh? Articles 1 and 8. What a strange thing to say.

As BoneybackJefferson says, any deaths from medicine shortages would be down to our MPs and civil servants who have had three years to prepare for this

Some medicines can't be stockpiled, I believe that's one of the issues, so it can't be prepared for.

Perhaps a smaller economy would be no bad thing? We're the fifth largest economy in the world but somehow that doesn't seem to translate to improved, or even liveable, standard of living for many. And these jobs that will be lost. Are they mainly those so poorly paid that people can't survive on the wages and have to turn to food banks or benefits?

Sorry but this is just a stupid thing to say.

I'd vote leave.

Please don't be offended because I genuinely don't know, but why would it be so bad to have a border that is clearly stated to be between the UK and the EU but the Irish/British relationship and freedom of movement continues? Surely if people want peace they'd accept that?

For all the reasons I outlined in my previous post.

Just reflect on the absolute arrogance of what you’re saying, seriously. It’s not that Irish and Northern Irish people don’t “want peace”. Of course we want peace. Over 3000 people DIED during the conflict, with thousands more injured. We voted overwhelmingly for peace in 1998. Now Brexit is undermining the very basis and implementation of that hard-won peace.

if I was in government or tasked with Brexit negotiations I would be doing all I could to work out a reasonable solution rather than use it as a convenient excuse not to Brexit.

The backstop is the reasonable solution, given the UK’s stated red lines.

Well, me personally I totally believe the balance of clearly heartfelt responses on this thread, that the vast majority of the population have either stuck resolutely to their original Leave vote or have switched from Remain to Leave. As the PM May had repeatedly said, the country has come together supporting Brexit. Only a few hardcore but noisy dissidents are still Remainers.

Therefore I believe we should hold an election to demonstrate to the world, especially the EU, that the People are overwhelmingly in favour of Brexit, and the hardest possible crash-out in which we sever ourselves completely from the evil tyranny of the EU and never have anything to do with them again. I think No Deal Brexit will win 90% over Remain. When the EU see the result, they'll know Boris has the country's full backing, that we hold all the cards, and they'll crumble quickly and give us everything we demand.

Come on, who's with me???

I'm a Scottish Remain voter and would vote Remain any day of the week.

The 2016 vote wasn't democratic, even without it's lies and cheating. There are 4 countries in the UK and any vote to leave the EU should have required a majority of the countries to agree. Scotland and Ireland voted to Remain and even if Wales had too, our votes wouldn't have overturned the result which ended up being entirely an English decision.

I will vote for an independent Scotland and hope that we will return to our place in the EU, hopefully with a United Ireland by our side. It's time that our choices and voices counted.