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To ask leavers if they would vote differently now it's looking like no deal?

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TheoriginalLEM · 02/08/2019 07:31

And as such should we go for another referendum?

I voted to remain and would continue to do so even if a deal was possible. However it is apparent that a deal isn't going to happen. Was it ever really going to be possible?

Would that change the mind of leavers? Or even remainers?

I would prefer to see no deal (even though I know its shit) than for this car crash to continue in slow motion any further.

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Venger · 02/08/2019 19:20

Someone said before you can have another referendum as the last one was based on misinformation. If you hadn't realised all elections are based on a load of bs. Does that mean I can go around and just because the elections didn't go my way I can then demand another election

That was me.

Where did I demand another election?

Someone previous to me said a referendum cannot be done a second time. I pointed out that Switzerland did exactly that and repeated a referendum that had already been held after a judge ruled that people did not have enough information available the first time around to enable them to make an informed choice.

angell84 · 02/08/2019 19:23

I am in a different EU country. I have to say the feeling here is "we all took the EU for granted, now that Britain are leaving, it makes us really look at and appreciate the E.U". It is amazing! I can live anywhere in Europe for as long as I want.

mummeeee · 02/08/2019 19:23

Any of the people on this thread who are advocating no deal like to answer the question about who will take responsibility for deaths that occur?

Venger · 02/08/2019 19:25

People are allowed to vote how they voted you know

A statement which applies to Leave and Remain voters.

Ultimately it was a close run election, 52% to 48%. Close enough to 50-50 that no matter which way the government jumps they will alienate more or less half the country and there is currently no path to solve the issue in a way that will appease both sides, or most of both sides as there are some people will never be pleased no matter what happens. Article 50 should never have been triggered until there was a firm plan in place for what would happen afterwards.

Lifeover · 02/08/2019 19:26

Of course not. The underlying issues of why I voted leave are still there. Not having a temporary deal in place on the leave date to be effective whilst we negotiate a more permanent deal would not alter this.

progestermoan · 02/08/2019 19:28

i feel like there should be another referendum and that it should be compulsory that everyone who is eligible votes

Lifeover · 02/08/2019 19:29

@Venga but there always was all the necessary information available - people just couldn’t be arsed to do any research , if you want to see how the EU world and the Uks position in it, just read the Treaties.

angell84 · 02/08/2019 19:29

Do you know that no one else in the world pays barely any attention to Brexit? No ine is interested. When I go to the U.K it is the number one topic of conversation, when i leave the U.K - no one anywhere talks about it. There were a few comments at the beginning three years ago. But not now. It does not affect anyone else and it is safe to say no other country talks about it at all

Venger · 02/08/2019 19:30

Any of the people on this thread who are advocating no deal like to answer the question about who will take responsibility for deaths that occur?

And can any of them comment on this leaked government document?

To ask leavers if they would vote differently now it's looking like no deal?
Justaboutdone · 02/08/2019 19:31

Mummmee - it will be your fault and mine and anyone else who would still class themselves a remainer.

It will be the remain MPs who didn’t vote for a deal (not the ERG or any other extremists)

It will be the experts who didn’t tell us how bad things would’ve.

It will not be Farage and it will not be Johnson who are the two most culpable.

It will not be the fault of the Daily Express, telegraph or Daily Mail who have been poisoning people against the EU for years. and it will 100% not be the fault of anyone who voted Leave

littlepaddypaws · 02/08/2019 19:31

compulsory that everyone votes ? how on earth would you police that ?

Venger · 02/08/2019 19:32

Venga but there always was all the necessary information available - people just couldn’t be arsed to do any research , if you want to see how the EU world and the Uks position in it, just read the Treaties.

It's Venger.

And no, all of the information wasnt available as no one actually knew what would be involved in Brexit or how it could be enacted.

twofingerstoEverything · 02/08/2019 19:32

There’s very little point me explaining to you because I can see your determined like most left wing remoaners to poo poo everything I say so I’m gonna leave this convo here.
Haven't read the whole thread yet, but this little gem jumped out as the perfect example of (a) equating left with remain (not true) and (b) the Brexit flounce/inability to explain anything/display any type of critical thinking.

progestermoan · 02/08/2019 19:33

There must be a way but I think that’s the only way it would work otherwise it would be the same thing......wanted a third one of its leave again
Surely everyone on the electoral register could vote in person or by post ?

Julykthat · 02/08/2019 19:46

no one actually knew what would be involved in Brexit or how it could be enacted

They still don't! Three prime minister's on no one has an iota as to what is going to happen in less than three months.

So the argument that any of you knew what you were voting for Is moot (at best, invalid probably)

BoneyBackJefferson · 02/08/2019 19:47

mummeeee
Any of the people on this thread who are advocating no deal like to answer the question about who will take responsibility for deaths that occur?

I don't advocate no deal but any deaths that occur will be down to those that do the killing/murdering.

Anything else is just more bull being spouted.

BoneyBackJefferson · 02/08/2019 19:50

progestermoan
i feel like there should be another referendum and that it should be compulsory that everyone who is eligible votes

If you are going to do that, you also need to make sure that both sides tell the truth and only the truth about what the future holds for both remain and leave.
Because "Remain is voting for the status quo" is also rubbish.

AgileLass · 02/08/2019 19:50

It does not affect anyone else and it is safe to say no other country talks about it at all

AHEM - Ireland - AHEM

luckylavender · 02/08/2019 19:51

La la la la. There's a Brexit board.

mummeeee · 02/08/2019 19:56

@BoneyBackJefferson
The deaths I'm referring to are those of people who don't have the right/safely prepared medicinal products available, so no one is actively killing/murdering.
In some ways it could be likened to the current legal inquiry into the deaths of people affected by contaminated blood products. i.e. the legal framework currently in place helps to ensure the products imported and the subsequent manufacturing processes applied in the UK and the cold chain etc mean that we can have a fairly high degree of confidence in them. In the event of no deal we face the serious prospect of not receiving them/receiving a substitute that isn't of the same quality

Cinammoncake · 02/08/2019 19:58

I don't advocate no deal but any deaths that occur will be down to those that do the killing/murdering.

Confused

We're talking about deaths because of medication shortages, caused by Brexit. We have been warned of this.

Venger · 02/08/2019 20:02

We're talking about deaths because of medication shortages, caused by Brexit. We have been warned of this.

And what of deaths caused by the food shortages as predicted in that leaked document I posted a little way up the page? There are people in this country already experiencing food poverty which will become worse when there are shortages and price rises.

BoneyBackJefferson · 02/08/2019 20:02

@mummeeee

Then maybe you should not use such emotive language and explain fully?

As for the explained question it should be down to both of the sides negotiating the deal including a no deal.

Not the voters who did so in good faith.

AgileLass · 02/08/2019 20:06

Then maybe you should not use such emotive language and explain fully?

“Deaths” isn’t emotive language, don’t be ridiculous. And what she meant was perfectly clear from her earlier post in which she detailed her fears about obtaining her daughter’s essential medication. RTFT Hmm

mummeeee · 02/08/2019 20:07

@BoneyBackJefferson
I've NOT used any emotive language
My daughter's life is in serious danger and yet people on this thread say we should go with no deal just to 'get it over with'

No one IS negotiating no deal, that's why it's so dangerous.

I didn't sleep for weeks before the 29 march trying to secure her medication supply. It comes from a private company contracted by the nhs, not a pharmacy, with no joy.

Please don't belittle my concerns