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To ask leavers if they would vote differently now it's looking like no deal?

703 replies

TheoriginalLEM · 02/08/2019 07:31

And as such should we go for another referendum?

I voted to remain and would continue to do so even if a deal was possible. However it is apparent that a deal isn't going to happen. Was it ever really going to be possible?

Would that change the mind of leavers? Or even remainers?

I would prefer to see no deal (even though I know its shit) than for this car crash to continue in slow motion any further.

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QuizzlyBear · 02/08/2019 17:00

But leavers have to take resonsibility now. The consequences will be 100 percent theirs to own, and no-one elses fault. Good luck with that.

You'd think so, wouldn't you? But every forum I've been on it's all touted as 'we'd be out already and prospering if it weren't for those pesky Remoaners' or 'this downturn in the economy is all because Remoaners won't get behind Brexit and pull together'.

Nothing about how it's an ill-thought out plan (let's face it, no plan) which leads to self-harm in every single simulation.

granny24 · 02/08/2019 17:05

Thank you leavers for depriving me of 20% of my pension, and probably depriving me of my cheap health cover just because I have retired to Portugal.I still pay tax in UK

Decormad38 · 02/08/2019 17:05

I'm currently on holiday in Europe and I'm embarrassed to be British. What a thick load of arseholes we are. I would vote remain. I have not met a single leave voted with a coherent and legitimate argument. I blame poor educational standards.

DorisDaysDadsDogsDead · 02/08/2019 17:06

Surely opening up to the world rather than mainly white European is more inclusive?

Yes, that's exactly what Fartage's "Breaking Point" poster was trying to convey Hmm

Doubleraspberry · 02/08/2019 17:08

Namechange there are many reasons I am wary of mythologising the wonderful EU and the Greek economic crisis is one of them. I still think it’s a better deal for us as a nation than not belonging to our nearest major trading bloc that we have a significant political voice in.

Not to ignore the number of immigrants who do do low paid work, we also benefit enormously from skilled immigration in the NHS, education, science and engineering, international companies with staff based here etc. So I don’t see defending freedom of movement and inward immigration as patronising at all.

Research has suggested in the past that it’s not true to point to immigration as a cause of wage deflation. Globalisation maybe, but Brexit won’t end that.

By leaving we become a far, far less attractive place for inward investment. So the UK loses jobs and capital investment. We lose structural funds for disadvantaged areas which is likely to lead to further deprivation and less regeneration. We are in a weak negotiating position for trade deals so terms are likely to be less advantageous than is painted. And trade deals can take a decade. Years and years of trading on dreadful WTO terms. Whole industries will be at risk.

Decormad38 · 02/08/2019 17:08

Plus people who voted remain and now would vote leave! What the hell is your rationale for that. Your fed up? Wait till we're in a no deal then see how fed up you are!

Pensionista · 02/08/2019 17:09

Doubleraspberry... I'm learning to be more precise on here as if I stray even in the slightest, I'm homed in on. I agreed with you, I even complimented you, yet you just HAVE to come back with a negative. I said most, which is not ALL experts. I should have said mostly the ones I've met. Jeez.

origamiunicorn · 02/08/2019 17:10

I want no deal. People are talking about their own country making them ashamed etc, but I honestly think we will be seen as the brave ones who bring down a bloated monolithic union who has been sucking the life out of Europe.

Only if we don't end up crippling our country in the process, or we will used as the example not to follow.

Doubleraspberry · 02/08/2019 17:12

I’m really not trying to trip you up, Pensionista. I wouldn’t normally be so pedantic. But these are such, such important words, and I’m watching them poison my country’s national discourse and it terrifies me. We are abandoning rationality and demonising people who use it.

classedasarsehole · 02/08/2019 17:13

This is what no deal will be like

To ask leavers if they would vote differently now it's looking like no deal?
Cinammoncake · 02/08/2019 17:16

I know loads of remain voters and not one of them now wants to leave. I think that's just a MN phenomenon put it that way.

Pensionista · 02/08/2019 17:17

MrPan....leavers are all fucking nutters ??
Not exactly the way to win friends and influence people. If you are an example of a remainer, I suspect people would vote leave. I voted to remain purely to look after my own interests, but I would not want to be associated with rude unbending inflexible people like you. I hope democracy wins and we leave and get on with our everyday lives.

AskMeAboutBoswell · 02/08/2019 17:20

Careful Pensionista, @MrPan has already stated that he believes himself to be actually more evolved than your common garden human.

Cinammoncake · 02/08/2019 17:21

If you are an example of a remainer, I suspect people would vote leave

Would be daft to say the least to make a decision about the future of your country based on that. Just makes no sense whatsoever.

CardinalSin · 02/08/2019 17:25

"Plus people who voted remain and now would vote leave! What the hell is your rationale for that."

It makes it easier to spot a bot. Nobody with half a brain cell would say something that stupid...

Pensionista · 02/08/2019 17:25

Classedasarsehole.....😖😵...oh dear I hope not. Sorry but for me I'll be on the left as I live in the EU (not UK,) Let me know and I'll send you a crate of vino.

Pensionista · 02/08/2019 17:28

Cinammoncake...Ever heard of tongue in cheek??

Pensionista · 02/08/2019 17:33

CardinaSin, ..oh dear, I keep forgetting there are people like you that just 'don't get it' Next time I will be more careful cause I don't want people to think I only have one brain cell like you.

DorisDaysDadsDogsDead · 02/08/2019 17:34

Sorry, is English your first language?

Pensionista · 02/08/2019 17:35

AskMeAboutBoswell.... Ha ha just love it.

Benjispruce · 02/08/2019 17:35

Doris don’t be a prat.

Pensionista · 02/08/2019 17:38

DorisDaysDadsDogsDead...... Oh my goodness it gets worse.

DorisDaysDadsDogsDead · 02/08/2019 17:39

Actually, the really stupid ones are the people saying "I just want to leave now and get it all over with".

The only way to get it all over with is to revoke and pretend it never happened (and get on with clearing up the mess it's already made).

Any Brexit, particularly a No Deal Brexit, is only the start of decades of wrangling to get trade deals. We'll have to sign the WA (or something so similar as to be virtually indistinguishable) before we can even begin negotiating with our closet neighbours, and that "deal" will take years. Deals with more distant and more complex trading blocs will take decades. Except for the US, obviously, where our government will just collectively bend over to Trump and say "harder please".

tinyme77 · 02/08/2019 17:39

I wondered whether the extra cost of£2bn for no deal would put people off but I guess if that money stays in the UK it shouldn't matter.

ComeBackPeterComeBackPaul · 02/08/2019 17:40

@Crispmonster123 - just for balance, I work in Belgium for a Belgian company, +/- 250 employees, all Belgian, French or Dutch and me. Some of them think Europe needs overhauling, not a single one of them would have voted to leave.