Meet the Other Phone. Flexible and made to last.

Meet the Other Phone.
Flexible and made to last.

Buy now

Please or to access all these features

AIBU?

Share your dilemmas and get honest opinions from other Mumsnetters.

PIL and Housing

148 replies

exculpatrix · 19/07/2019 16:48

So, to set out the starting premise: My partner's parents offered to buy us a house in January. Before I say anything else I want to note that I am hugely grateful for this. It's a massively nice thing to do, and I very much appreciate the financial burden involved. Getting a house in London is pretty much the same as a decent size lottery win, and I don't want anyone to think I'm not very thankful for the offer.

With that caveat out of the way, I have some issues with things, and I want to know if I'm being out of line or not. Issues:

  1. They want a lot of say in things. They keep saying it should be a "forever home" where we're happy, but they also keep trying to tell us where it should be. We live in Kings Cross at the moment, and are looking at areas a bit further out but with good transport links such as Colliers Wood, Colindale, Walthamstow, and Leytonstone. Her parents seem determined that we should live somewhere like Stevenage, St Albans, or Chorley Wood, and just ignore us whenever we say those places are too far out. For reference, I've lived my whole life in London, have moved around it a lot, and my dad is a licensed black cab driver who did the knowledge and taught me a lot about different bits of London. I know this city well. Her parents live in Yorkshire and spend as little time down here as possible. They don't know what this city is like.
  1. Their organisation. They made this offer to us in January. They only spoke to their accountant about the practicality of it this week. I appreciate that house buying isn't a fast process, but they are dragging their heels at every step. My partner hates living where we do at the moment and is desperate to get out, but they seem in no rush to do anything.
  1. Their lack of communication. It's only this week that they've given us a rough idea of budget, and even then they won't give us an actual number for what our upper limit is, which makes it hard to work out what we can realistically look at. They also won't discuss housing around me at all. This stresses my partner out to no end. She doesn't want to have to play messenger, running back and forth between us, but they're not giving her much choice. They've apparently pretty much made it clear to her that I'm considered a plus one, so my opinion doesn't matter, so there's no point involving me in the conversation.
  1. And this is the kicker: Apparently her dad has now said that he thinks I should get a mortgage and contribute to the cost of the house. For the record: her parents are minted. They don't need the money I would add to afford this place. They can drop £800k on a house and not even really notice. I'm a mid level civil servant, I could get about £120k on a mortgage max. So it's not the case that they need me to contribute. Her dad just thinks I should have "skin in the game" to make things fair. This is a new development, and certainly wasn't mentioned when they made the offer. I made career decisions based on their offer (could have taken a 3 year posting in New York and lived rent free in Manhattan the whole time, but chose to stay in London because I thought we were getting a house), so am feeling a bit miffed that they're changing the terms of the offer on us.

I guess I have a couple of questions:

A) AIBU to think that they're making this harder than it needs to be? And that if they're going to make the offer they shouldn't then turn around and change the terms?

B) Could I even get a mortgage? Her parents want to keep the house in their name for at least a few years, so that if anything goes wrong between us I can't lay a claim on it. Which is fair enough, I can understand wanting to protect your investment. But I feel pretty sure a bank won't lend me any kind of money if the house isn't in my name, because then the bank has no security on their loan?

OP posts:
dreamingofsun · 19/07/2019 18:06

there's been one or two threads on here recently about PIL giving money for housing and then wanting it back as they have claimed its a loan. This sounds as if it might result in similar issues....suggest you try and search them out.

IncandescentShadow · 19/07/2019 18:07
  1. Don't accept it then. Your freedom is worth more than a house. I can't believe you turned down an overseas posting on this vague a promise. That is not very motivated of you. By the time this has all been sorted, you could have almost had your 3 years overseas posting and moved back. Hasn't turning it down negatively impacted on your career? Furthermore, it is your decision to do that, no-one else's, and no-one else's fault but yours. Your decision.
  1. Giving someone hundreds of thousands of pounds is a massive decision for anyone, no matter how "minted" and able to "drop" that amount you think they may be. They probably wanted to think it through thoroughly and then contact their accountant. Perfectly reasonable on their part, and quite sensible. Given that you are housed adequately at present too.
  1. Communication works both ways. Have you tried to discuss it formally with them? Perhaps its your attitude that's putting them off.
  1. You getting a mortgage is perfectly reasonable and would in fact protect your interests in the event of any split. It would also give you some pride rather than just taking everything for free of your wife's parents. Surely this must have occurred to you? And see your own solicitor or mortgage advisor about mortgage arrangements - why criticise your inlaws about their lack of organisation when you haven't even done this.

I must admit, I think your attitude stinks. You sound ungrateful, money-grabbing and a bit crude in your terminology and descriptions of people. If you really don't like the idea, just get your own mortgage and buy your own house. No-one is forcing you to take their money.

PurpleWithRed · 19/07/2019 18:10

I disagree with other posters here, I think your attitude is reasonable and sensible - you have a future to protect too.

You have a stark choice - go along with their wishes or walk away. What does your spouse think? and if push came to shove would your spouse stay with you and not have the house, or leave you for the house?

Nanny0gg · 19/07/2019 18:12

Don't do it.

Too many strings.

And I don't understand why your wife doesn't refuse to play their game.

Dippypippy1980 · 19/07/2019 18:16

You are giving a lot of personal and identifiable information here. Your work on the FCO, you were offered a posting in NY, your dad was a black cab driver, your wife is an editor and a lightening technician, you live in kings cross and her parents are minted.

Are you sure you want all this, combined with your feelings about your in laws and their personal financial business on internet.

exculpatrix · 19/07/2019 18:16

This reply has been deleted

Message deleted by MNHQ. Here's a link to our Talk Guidelines.

Dippypippy1980 · 19/07/2019 18:17

Unless you have tweaked some details, however it is odd (and unnecessary) to be so specific

AhNowTed · 19/07/2019 18:17

You're appalled that they think you should contribute something because 'they're minted'.

You sound ungrateful and entitled.

funnelfanjo · 19/07/2019 18:19

I would see if the opportunity for a posting to the UN is still on the cards. Your in-laws are just yanking your chains, don't put your lives on hold any longer. Make your own plans as a couple and live your lives for each other.

BernadetteRostankowskiWolowitz · 19/07/2019 18:20

I think they either need to
1 - gift some money towards it with you and your wife obtaining a mortgage for the remainder. House belongs to you two entirely.
2 - they buy the property and own it entirely with you two paying rent towards it.
3 - recind any offer and you two do it independently.

BernadetteRostankowskiWolowitz · 19/07/2019 18:20

Oh god they are gonna want a key aren't they!

GreenTulips · 19/07/2019 18:22

Take a new posting

Your only young once and if they’ve offered now they may offer again later

Don’t base your decisions on other people

gowgow · 19/07/2019 18:29

What does your wife think?

JustMarriedBecca · 19/07/2019 18:29

For everyone saying don't do it, they have clearly never lived in London. Do it. Otherwise you will never get on the ladder.

Secondly, location. We did the whole central London thing too. It's fine for 5 years but then anyone who starts to have kids then thinks about moving out. Your friends. Everyone. When the catchment area for a school is 125m and you have to ship your neighbours for school application fraud, you'd wished you had moved further out. Think 10 years down the line, not 3-4 when stamp duty on a £800k house is a house deposit in itself.

In terms of ownership, get a deed of trust between you and own it as tenants in common. Means you contribute equally to it but in the event you sell you each get out the proportion you put into it. See a solicitor, it sounds like they have.

homeishere · 19/07/2019 18:30

The house will be an albatross around your neck.

Don’t do it.

Rosielily · 19/07/2019 18:34

At the end of the decision as to whether or not you accept this offer is one for you and your wife to come to together, without anyone else's input. What are her views on her parents' conduct, and is she taking on board your concerns?

Rosielily · 19/07/2019 18:34

*end of the day

IncandescentShadow · 19/07/2019 18:35

This reply has been deleted

Message deleted by MNHQ. This repeats a previously deleted post. Here's a link to our Talk Guidelines.

CodenameVillanelle · 19/07/2019 18:36

You'd be nuts to take this 'gift' with the strings they have attached to it. Be independent adults and make your own housing arrangements. Presumably your DW will inherit some of their £££ in the future anyway!

IncandescentShadow · 19/07/2019 18:37

Your work on the FCO, you were offered a posting in NY

He doesn't work for the FCO. They have to sign a disclaimer in their contracts of employment preventing them from discussing any work-related matter on social media.

As well as all the other red flags...

JustTheCrowsAndTheBeef · 19/07/2019 18:37

@IncandescentShadow I don’t think OP is a man.

bellie710 · 19/07/2019 18:38

My parents did a similiar thing, they gave me money for a house but kept stressing that it was my house not my husbands. We had been married 9 years and had 3 kids so I'm not sure what they thought the point of making it just mine was but my brother got screwed over by my ex SIL in a house that my parents bought so i think that is why they were being cautious! Only difference is I own the house outright it has never been in their name, I take it they are quite young and inheritance tax wont be an issue, they would be better gifting her the cash now not putting it in their own name surely?!?

LuckyLou7 · 19/07/2019 18:39

Don't accept this offer. You are both adults and you need to love life the way you want, not dictated by her parents. Money isn't everything. Happiness and peace of mind is. Be independent, even if it means renting. Don't make yourselves beholden to your in-laws.

Dippypippy1980 · 19/07/2019 18:39

It sounds like they made a very generous offer, then panicked that you might split up and run off with some of their money. I think that is understandable, even if they love you. To be honest you are coming across as a little mercenary in this thread.

They want you to contribute, and that it also an understandable impulse. They want to make their daughters life lovely and easy, but maybe have realised they don’t feel as equally generous towards you.

I would invite them round to dinner and try to clear the air. It’s a lot of money and they are (for whatever reason) uncomfortable that you get 50% of a gift to their daughter. They should get legal advice, and so should you.

In the end, if they are really uncomfortable the money won’t materialise, but try talking if through to see if there is anyway this can work.

Twisique · 19/07/2019 18:40

Did they make the offer to stop you both living abroad?

Swipe left for the next trending thread