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PIL and Housing

148 replies

exculpatrix · 19/07/2019 16:48

So, to set out the starting premise: My partner's parents offered to buy us a house in January. Before I say anything else I want to note that I am hugely grateful for this. It's a massively nice thing to do, and I very much appreciate the financial burden involved. Getting a house in London is pretty much the same as a decent size lottery win, and I don't want anyone to think I'm not very thankful for the offer.

With that caveat out of the way, I have some issues with things, and I want to know if I'm being out of line or not. Issues:

  1. They want a lot of say in things. They keep saying it should be a "forever home" where we're happy, but they also keep trying to tell us where it should be. We live in Kings Cross at the moment, and are looking at areas a bit further out but with good transport links such as Colliers Wood, Colindale, Walthamstow, and Leytonstone. Her parents seem determined that we should live somewhere like Stevenage, St Albans, or Chorley Wood, and just ignore us whenever we say those places are too far out. For reference, I've lived my whole life in London, have moved around it a lot, and my dad is a licensed black cab driver who did the knowledge and taught me a lot about different bits of London. I know this city well. Her parents live in Yorkshire and spend as little time down here as possible. They don't know what this city is like.
  1. Their organisation. They made this offer to us in January. They only spoke to their accountant about the practicality of it this week. I appreciate that house buying isn't a fast process, but they are dragging their heels at every step. My partner hates living where we do at the moment and is desperate to get out, but they seem in no rush to do anything.
  1. Their lack of communication. It's only this week that they've given us a rough idea of budget, and even then they won't give us an actual number for what our upper limit is, which makes it hard to work out what we can realistically look at. They also won't discuss housing around me at all. This stresses my partner out to no end. She doesn't want to have to play messenger, running back and forth between us, but they're not giving her much choice. They've apparently pretty much made it clear to her that I'm considered a plus one, so my opinion doesn't matter, so there's no point involving me in the conversation.
  1. And this is the kicker: Apparently her dad has now said that he thinks I should get a mortgage and contribute to the cost of the house. For the record: her parents are minted. They don't need the money I would add to afford this place. They can drop £800k on a house and not even really notice. I'm a mid level civil servant, I could get about £120k on a mortgage max. So it's not the case that they need me to contribute. Her dad just thinks I should have "skin in the game" to make things fair. This is a new development, and certainly wasn't mentioned when they made the offer. I made career decisions based on their offer (could have taken a 3 year posting in New York and lived rent free in Manhattan the whole time, but chose to stay in London because I thought we were getting a house), so am feeling a bit miffed that they're changing the terms of the offer on us.

I guess I have a couple of questions:

A) AIBU to think that they're making this harder than it needs to be? And that if they're going to make the offer they shouldn't then turn around and change the terms?

B) Could I even get a mortgage? Her parents want to keep the house in their name for at least a few years, so that if anything goes wrong between us I can't lay a claim on it. Which is fair enough, I can understand wanting to protect your investment. But I feel pretty sure a bank won't lend me any kind of money if the house isn't in my name, because then the bank has no security on their loan?

OP posts:
Phineyj · 19/07/2019 17:24

There's some common ground here between my situation and yours, although I'm the wife. But my DDad has never at any point refused to discuss housing or financial matters with my DH or my BIL and would have considered it mad and rude to leave them out of discussions. And he's controlling at times and my sis and I are the ones who run the finances of our respective households.

They do not like you and you should politely decline this offer. And go to Manhattan! What an opportunity!

ReanimatedSGB · 19/07/2019 17:27

I think they actually don't consider you a suitable partner for their DD and are trying to ease you out of the picture. You're married but they are behaving as though you are her latest unsuitable fuckbuddy.
Are they normally this controlling? How does your DW feel about the whole thing?

ContactLight · 19/07/2019 17:27

Have they any idea just how much two season rail tickets from Stevenage to London would cost???

And only a nutter would think Stevenage is in London anyway

EileenAlanna · 19/07/2019 17:27

If you'd taken the 3 year posting to New York would your partner have been moving there with you, or just you?
Her parents could buy a house with you with both on the mortgage & deeds, they put down say £700k deposit & you take on £100k, giving them 7/8ths of the equity in the property & you 1/8th.
If you're resentful of being expected to pay anything to have a permanent, secure roof over your head for the next 25years how long do you estimate it'll take for you to let this resentment dominate you life & the lives of the others involved?
Your partner comes from a wealthy family, you don't. Her parents are focussed on her, not you, which is pretty natural.

Feelingwalkedover · 19/07/2019 17:29

Well your in-laws are putting their daughter first .why should you have claim to half a house ,when your not married or have kids together.they would be stupid to not do what they are doing

MollyButton · 19/07/2019 17:33

I have no idea why you turned down a New York posting - its madness.
Her parents are offering to buy a house and be your landlords. Think about that carefully.
You can't get a mortgage on a property they are buying. You just can't. Not nowadays. They could give you an amount and you get a mortgage for the rest - but they would have to sign an statement that it was a "gift free from all obligations and not a loan".
If NY posting or other is now not going to be available - have you looked at Shared ownership etc.?

Feelingwalkedover · 19/07/2019 17:33

Oh ,just read that you are married
Why did you not put that bit in your introduction.it changes things
I think they don’t like you ,and are trying to ease you out

lyralalala · 19/07/2019 17:34

Did the offer come about when you were discussing/considering New York by any chance?

Feelingwalkedover · 19/07/2019 17:34

I also think they want to much of a say in things .
Do you think they just came up with the house idea to stop their daughter moving aboard with you

SusieOwl4 · 19/07/2019 17:35

So at the moment it looks like really they are buying a house and you will just be tenants - then WHEN they decide to gift it what happens if the value has gone up? Will they still gift it? At this point I don't see there is any need for you to take out a mortgage or sign what you have offered because until they gift it neither of you will have any legal ownership ? If one of them dies the house will be inherited by the other - who then may decide to keep the house? What sounds generous seems to be actually quite controlling and as you are married quite disrespectful in the way it is being handled . I hope that if you decide to go ahead you are getting a solicitor involved ? It will be very generous for you to live rent free ( and hopefully save a lot of money in case it all goes sour ) but I think they should be a bit clearer about why they want to buy in certain areas ?

Durgasarrow · 19/07/2019 17:36

If I were you, I'd go to New York, enjoy the adventure, and let them beg you to come back. Life is too short to be stuck in one place when you have string-pullers like that controlling you.

Mummy0ftwo12 · 19/07/2019 17:37

I agree with the PP, have a look at shared ownership properties in an area you want to live in - doesn't seem like your in-laws buying your wife a house is going to happen anytime soon and even if it eventually does happen, if you ever split up then you will not have any kind of say or equity in the house, if they keep it in their names then it isn't your house.

MyCatHatesEverybody · 19/07/2019 17:37

You might have had different answers if you'd put wife instead of partner in your OP. You being married puts a different slant on the scenario. As others have said you won't get a mortgage on a house you don't own.

OKBobble · 19/07/2019 17:37

Do you want to be in a position where yiu are not on the property market. I would decline their offer and arrange to buy somewhere with your wife out of the money you jointly earn. If they want to help with a deposit they can but usually mortgage companies will require evidence that this is an outright gift.

Bluntness100 · 19/07/2019 17:39

This is all sortable and you sound quite grabby. You only stayed here because you were getting a free house? Seriously?

You can get a mortgage and then have a legal doc drawn up saying you own say twenty percent of thr house, and them eighty percent.

It's not complicated really, stop being an arse.

exculpatrix · 19/07/2019 17:40

To those saying they don't like me: I sort of agree. Previously my partner had said I was the first person she'd been involved with that they actually liked. They actively grumbled about everyone she was with before and tried to split them up, but thought I was smart, polite, pleasant, etc.
But that was before we got married. They really seem to struggle with the idea of her growing up and having her own life (this is a whole other issue), and I wonder if now that we're married they view me as a threat and have turned against me somewhat.

(For anecdotal evidence of this: My nickname for my partner is "Shiny star", and I called her my shiny star in our vows. When it came time for the speeches at the reception PILs' speech included "Before she was her shining star, she was ours." As far as I know they'd never called her that before, and it felt a lot like they were being territorial.)

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Rachelover40 · 19/07/2019 17:40

Let them buy you a house anywhere, make sure it is YOUR house, ie in yours & partners names, and they have no claim on it. Then you can move when you feel like it.

Having said that, St Albans is not far from London and is absolutely lovely, Bushey and Tring are nice too so I wouldn't turn my nose up at any of those. Easy commute into central London, quicker than from where I live and I am actually in London!

Poloshot · 19/07/2019 17:41

Stands to reason they want to protect their/their daughters asset, be under no illusions they're not buying you a house

WhereYouLeftIt · 19/07/2019 17:41

OK, let;s get this out of the way first :

THEY HAVE NO INTENTION OF BUYING YOU AND YOUR WIFE A HOUSE, NOT EVEN WITH THEIR NAMES ON THE DEEDS.

What they are doing is exerting control over their daughter, pure and simple. Why else would they never discuss it with you in the room? And they've already enjoyed the benefits - she would be in New York for three years if they hadn't made this non-promise to her.

Wise up - they are bastards who are playing you. You and your wife need to sit down together and discuss this. And make your plans without relying on her parents, because they will not follow through with this. Ever.

RosaWaiting · 19/07/2019 17:43

Sounds like trouble to me
Their plan is to buy a house and let you live in it.

Pity to miss out on opportunities like New York. Did you both want to go? Any chance that will come up again?

If they were serious, they’d have got cracking ages ago.

Knittedfairies · 19/07/2019 17:44

This situation has disaster written all over it. The offer of a house is very, very generous but there are too many strings attached to it. Impossible to know, but is it likely to go ahead? it's very controlling to offer something without a timetable. What would happen if your wife just stopped engaging with her parents?

fedup21 · 19/07/2019 17:44

I wouldn’t be involved in this!

flouncyfanny · 19/07/2019 17:46

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DuesToTheDirt · 19/07/2019 17:46

I'd want nothing to do with their "kind" offer, and if I were your wife I'd have nothing to do with it either. They are far too controlling. Who on earth gives their child money for a house but specifies where it has to be? It's your and your wife's decision how you live your lives, not theirs.

blue25 · 19/07/2019 17:46

I would hate this. Stand on your own two feet and save for your own property. They will continue to be overly involved/interfering as they will see the property as theirs and they'll never let you forget it!