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PIL and Housing

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exculpatrix · 19/07/2019 16:48

So, to set out the starting premise: My partner's parents offered to buy us a house in January. Before I say anything else I want to note that I am hugely grateful for this. It's a massively nice thing to do, and I very much appreciate the financial burden involved. Getting a house in London is pretty much the same as a decent size lottery win, and I don't want anyone to think I'm not very thankful for the offer.

With that caveat out of the way, I have some issues with things, and I want to know if I'm being out of line or not. Issues:

  1. They want a lot of say in things. They keep saying it should be a "forever home" where we're happy, but they also keep trying to tell us where it should be. We live in Kings Cross at the moment, and are looking at areas a bit further out but with good transport links such as Colliers Wood, Colindale, Walthamstow, and Leytonstone. Her parents seem determined that we should live somewhere like Stevenage, St Albans, or Chorley Wood, and just ignore us whenever we say those places are too far out. For reference, I've lived my whole life in London, have moved around it a lot, and my dad is a licensed black cab driver who did the knowledge and taught me a lot about different bits of London. I know this city well. Her parents live in Yorkshire and spend as little time down here as possible. They don't know what this city is like.
  1. Their organisation. They made this offer to us in January. They only spoke to their accountant about the practicality of it this week. I appreciate that house buying isn't a fast process, but they are dragging their heels at every step. My partner hates living where we do at the moment and is desperate to get out, but they seem in no rush to do anything.
  1. Their lack of communication. It's only this week that they've given us a rough idea of budget, and even then they won't give us an actual number for what our upper limit is, which makes it hard to work out what we can realistically look at. They also won't discuss housing around me at all. This stresses my partner out to no end. She doesn't want to have to play messenger, running back and forth between us, but they're not giving her much choice. They've apparently pretty much made it clear to her that I'm considered a plus one, so my opinion doesn't matter, so there's no point involving me in the conversation.
  1. And this is the kicker: Apparently her dad has now said that he thinks I should get a mortgage and contribute to the cost of the house. For the record: her parents are minted. They don't need the money I would add to afford this place. They can drop £800k on a house and not even really notice. I'm a mid level civil servant, I could get about £120k on a mortgage max. So it's not the case that they need me to contribute. Her dad just thinks I should have "skin in the game" to make things fair. This is a new development, and certainly wasn't mentioned when they made the offer. I made career decisions based on their offer (could have taken a 3 year posting in New York and lived rent free in Manhattan the whole time, but chose to stay in London because I thought we were getting a house), so am feeling a bit miffed that they're changing the terms of the offer on us.

I guess I have a couple of questions:

A) AIBU to think that they're making this harder than it needs to be? And that if they're going to make the offer they shouldn't then turn around and change the terms?

B) Could I even get a mortgage? Her parents want to keep the house in their name for at least a few years, so that if anything goes wrong between us I can't lay a claim on it. Which is fair enough, I can understand wanting to protect your investment. But I feel pretty sure a bank won't lend me any kind of money if the house isn't in my name, because then the bank has no security on their loan?

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Ginger1982 · 19/07/2019 17:47

This would all be too much for me. Too many conditions. I would say thanks but no thanks!

Chloemol · 19/07/2019 17:47

I would now be looking to buy yourselves and not take the money. And in the meantime if another posting came up abroad you wanted I would take that as well.

AwkwardPaws27 · 19/07/2019 17:47

Why not ask them if they would be willing to give you a deposit instead, without all the strings attached?
You say you could only get a £120k mortgage, but you said your DP also works, and you are a mid-level civil servant. With a joint income of say £60k you could borrow up to £285k (you'd be able to borrow up to 4.75 times your joint income).
You might not be able to buy a forever home now, but more people don't buy the perfect house as their first buy. If your in-laws gave you £100-250k, you'd be able to buy a flat in your desired areas or a house if you are willing to look a bit further out.
This way, you'd get on the ladder, the money you currently use on rent would go on the mortgage, and you wouldn't have stipulations from the in-laws.

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JustTheCrowsAndTheBeef · 19/07/2019 17:48

Bluntly, it sounds like a) you were foolish to turn down the UN posting and b) this house is one big millstone to keep your partner in the sphere of her parents’ influence.

I would personally graciously decline their generous offer and take the next international posting that you are offered. This house can only drive a wedge between either you and your wife, or between you as a couple and her parents.

Mummyoflittledragon · 19/07/2019 17:49

Turning down the manhattan posting was a bad idea. You cannot plan your life on unmaterialised offers. They sound pretty disrespectful of your marriage. I think a better option would be for you to buy a property to rent out so that you have some money in the game in case you split. Otherwise them protecting their money puts you in a precarious position.

girlwithadragontattoo · 19/07/2019 17:49

Can you take a posting else where at all? I wouldn't take the house, you'd be miserable the entire time and i don't think they have any intention of handing it over

JustTheCrowsAndTheBeef · 19/07/2019 17:49

PS out of interest, did the offer of the house happen to materialise shortly after you were offered NY and it become a real possibility that you would move abroad, by any chance?

Alicealicewhothe · 19/07/2019 17:52

Are you same sex OP? Just they said "before she was her shiny star, she was ours".

It seems very odd that your married and therefore they dont seem to understand that legally if they buy their daughter a house, it's technically half yours (aside from the post nuptials situation). Just seems they dont feel your marriage will last which is a shame.

But as easy it is for people to say, I agree no house is worth the emotional control they are trying to put on you and your wife.

Supersimpkin · 19/07/2019 17:53

a) PIL don't like you - nothing personal, they can't cope with DD being married. They're manipulative to her too.
b) Every penny they 'give' to her will be a penny you don't get. Can you both live like that?
c) What they love most - despite the overparenting - is the money.

You don't sound remotely grabby to me. (On MN that's the auto-accusation you get 100x an hour from the same people). Either you both find a way to get something out of DPIL without strings - good luck with that - or concentrate on buying whatever you can together and using the rent from DPIL house for something else.

FamilyOfAliens · 19/07/2019 17:53

Has your wife ever said that she finds them controlling?

What does she think about their batshit idea? Is she keen or can she see the pitfalls coming over the hill from a mile off?

exculpatrix · 19/07/2019 17:53

@AwkwardPaws27 I don't think I did say that my partner works. For the record, she's a freelance editor and part time lighting technician. She makes enough to live on but doesn't have a stable salary she could use for mortgage applications.

@JustTheCrowsAndTheBeef Near enough: They made the offer while I was away on a 1 week work trip to the UN, just before I got the offer to take up a more substantial posting there.

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Throckmorton · 19/07/2019 17:53

Bugger that for a game of soldiers! If, big if, they ever actually buy this house they will hold if over you both for ever and use it to try to work a wedge between you and your wife. Tell them thanks but no thanks.

LadyTiredWinterBottom2 · 19/07/2019 17:54

I would've taken the job in NY.

But anyway, if you want then to buy a house, it needs to be on their terms.

If you don't like the terms, don't accept the offer.

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DerelictWreck · 19/07/2019 17:55

If you're mid-level CS (are we talking about a 7?) then are you sure you've got your mortgage calculations right? Should be able to borrow double that

Millie2018 · 19/07/2019 17:56

I would be tempted to decline.
I know it’s an amazing offer, but it’s causing you problems. I don’t think they will ever want you to have any claim on the property regardless of time. There’s no guarantee they’ll ever pass it on. And the fact they keep wanting a say over location etc is ridiculous.
My position would be: thank you for your offer but unless this is a gift to my partner outright without condition, no thank you.
It’s just not worth the hassle.
Oh and the mortgage question - you won’t be able to do this unless you have your name on the property. Otherwise you could investigate the idea of loan, but you’d be mad to unless you get a legal agreement that this is in exchange for x%.

Jojobythesea · 19/07/2019 17:57

Money and families never mix well and it always seems to end in disaster. If it were me I'd be trying to get the gig In Manhattan!!

SteelRiver · 19/07/2019 17:57

Any chance you can still get that UN posting? It sounds like your in-laws are trying to control their daughter's life still.

AwkwardPaws27 · 19/07/2019 17:58

Apologies @exculpatrix I made assumptions based on your post saying "once her career is more sorted" - my mistake.
I was trying to be helpful, not pick holes in your post, by the way. Might be worth speaking to a broker to see if her income could count, as a second income (even very small) can boost your borrowing power. Good luck.

LadyTiredWinterBottom2 · 19/07/2019 17:58

Yeah l'm beginning to wonder if the house offer was to keep their daughter in the UK. They ate really dragging their feet.

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Disfordarkchocolate · 19/07/2019 18:01

Too many strings for me, even with the house offer you should have taken the career opportunity. The fact is you are letting your 'in-laws' interfere in your relationship, why would you do that.

I think you need to take a step back from this before your partner ends up as your landlady and you have a whole different relationship than the one you both wanted.

raisinsraisinsraisins · 19/07/2019 18:02

Op- I’d worry that this is the type of thread to be copied and pasted onto the MailOnline, and that could have a bigger impact on your relationships than any of this!

altiara · 19/07/2019 18:03

I’d ignore the offer of a house completely.
In reality this is not going to be your house, so why not save for ‘your’ house. Fine if you’re living rent free and can save, but I can imagine a new rule of you having to pay rent.

Plus it won’t happen unless you decide to move away.
Good luck!