There's no mandate for a no deal Brexit

[Cinammoncake]

It seems to me (as a remainer) that leavers didn't give their vote to a no deal Brexit. Even if say half of them might want that now, there's no mandate now to go ahead and do something so damaging to the country as this. I don't remember this outcome seeming likely around the time of the referendum, so I think people just didn't vote for that.

“We are going to get a deal which is of huge value and possibly of greater value.”

Boris Johnson
16 November 2016

“Within two years, before the negotiation with the EU is likely to be complete, we can negotiate a free trade area massively larger than the EU. The new trade agreements will come into force at the point of exit, but they will be fully negotiated.”

David Davis
14 July 2016

“Trade relations with the EU could be sorted out in an afternoon over a cup of coffee.”

Gerard Batten
17 February 2017

“Within minutes of a vote for Brexit, CEOs would be knocking down Chancellor Merkel’s door demanding access to the British market.”

David Davis
4 February 2016

“The cost of getting out would be virtually nil and the cost of staying in would be very high.”

Boris Johnson
6 March 2016

“I think we could very easily get a better trade deal than we have at the moment.”

Douglas Carswell
8 June 2016

"It will be easy to negotiate a trade deal. It's in the EU's interests."

Paul Nutall
17 January 2017

”EU lays down a royal flush. UK looks at own cards: Mr Bun the Baker, Pikachu, a Shadowmage, a fireball spell, and the Fool”

Thomas Cogley
23rd September 2016

I think we’re probably going to end up with a no confidence vote and a general election.

ContinuityError
The EU army “veto” is written into the Lisbon Treaty.

Yes - but what are EU battle groups? Pages 24/25

Unlocking the potential of the EU Treaties Jan 2019
www.europarl.europa.eu/thinktank/en/document.html?reference=EPRS_STU(2019)630353

"This study identifies and analyses 34 policy areas where there may be the potential to do more under the existing legal bases provided by the Treaties without recourse to any amendment or updating of those texts."

"The Treaty of Lisbon is the current legal foundation for the work of the European Union and its institutions.Although there is at present no general debate within the institutions on the revision of the Treaties, senior EU politicians have recently hinted at the possibility of expanding Parliament's powers.However, given that the ordinary procedure for revision of the Treaties is cumbersome and lengthy, and that the simplified procedure cannot be used to broaden EU competences, it makes sense to explore possibilities for unlocking the full potential of the existing Treaties as they stand now."

"President of the European Parliament, Antonio Tajani remarked on 13 November 2018 that 'a crucial change to be made is to give the European Parliament more power', specifically mentioning the need to give the EP the power to table legislative proposals.German Chancellor, Angela Merkel, in turn, speaking before the Parliament on the same day, indicated that 'We must...be ready to rethink our decision-making processes, also by lifting the unanimity requirement wherever possible', although she immediately added that this should be done 'in areas where this is permitted by the Treaties.'All this should be seen in the context of President Juncker's recent call–in his 2018 State of the Union address–to build a 'European sovereignty'." ...

"Bearing this in mind, it is useful to embark on a careful re-reading of the currently binding Treaties, with a view to unlocking the potential enshrined in the wording of its articles."

More remoaner whinging. Just get over it.

This sort of attitude is incomprehensible. People stand to lose their jobs, their businesses and their homes. We know this.

I really think some people are in denial about how much worse things stand to get - both in practical terms and in the sense of how angered people (and I consider this to be the majority of people if you add remainers and misled leave voters who don't want no deal) will justifiably be.

theelementsong interesting to read all those quotes. People seem to be trying to rewrite history at the moment by saying no deal was what was intended all along.

Following the Brexit leave campaign, I went down to the gym where I'm a member, and told them I wanted to leave, and was cancelling my membership. But I demanded that they offer me a great deal, whereby I could access all the equipment and continue to swim in the pool. I told them that I held all the cards, and not only did I want to continue to use the gym, I would also be doing deals with other gyms to use them where I wanted to.

They told me to fuck off. They said that if they gave me a good deal, all the other members would want to leave too, and get the same deal I got, so it was ridiculous to expect I'd get a good deal, because it would be the end of the gym.

Apparently, so they said, a guinea pig with learning difficulties should be able to grasp that concept and anyone who ever expected anything else must have an IQ lower than a snakes fanny.

Cinammoncake
I think if the Remainers agreed to give up Revoke and Remain - then there wouldn't be the urgency to force a 'no-deal' - that might work.

Clavinova are you meaning that if we all accepted Brexit then the people wanting no deal would give up and just go for an orderly, managed, negotiated deal?
If so then they wouldn't.

It's hard for people to accept Brexit, because there are literally no upsides.

Clavinova

Nothing from your link says that it will override the Lisbon Treaty:

The decision to move towards common defence is in the hands of the European Council, requiring unanimity.

And the Treaty requires ratification by member states according to their own constitutional requirements - which would have been a referendum in the UK.

Cinammoncake
are you meaning that if we all accepted Brexit then the people wanting no deal would give up and just go for an orderly, managed, negotiated deal?

Much more chance of that, yes - I think there is a sense of urgency that Brexit will be stolen away from them.

Stolen away from them.

Like it's an actual thing that is owned. The delusion continues.

Much more chance of that, yes - I think there is a sense of urgency that Brexit will be stolen away from them.

Of all the self serving bollocks

There’s no orderly deal because brexiteers won’t accept any reasonable opinions (they still seem to think they should be getting unicorns).

And they’re incapable of taking responsibility for their actions as you so clearly demonstrate.

ContinuityError
What are EU battle groups?

The report, "highlights the importance of resolving the longstanding operational problems related to the deployment of EU battle groups, operational since 2007 yet never deployed."

I think if the Remainers agreed to give up Revoke and Remain - then there wouldn't be the urgency to force a 'no-deal' - that might work.

No deal is the legal outcome if a deal or extension isn’t agreed with the EU by October 31st.

The WA was agreed between the EU and the UK Government but voted down by Parliament.

Blaming Remain for stopping any kind of exit deal is nonsense - it wasn’t only Remain MPs that voted the WA down - the Eurosceptic hard right of the Tory party wholeheartedly voted it down time and again.

So - do the Eurosceptic hard right want a deal or are they just balls out for leaving with nothing as their preferred option?

MrPan
You are happy to accept the WA then?

What are EU battle groups?

If you’re wondering why they haven’t been deployed, that’s at least a question for the UK, isn’t it?

@TheElementsSong hello! Long time no see no change 🙄 Those quotes are something else aren't they?! Delusional politicians. Fuckwits the lots of them. I thought of you last week when a family friend (a US businessman with his own specialist company here in the UK) told me everything would be fine regarding food and millennium bugged me. I was astounded that such an astute businessman could be so clueless as to how trade works and how the millennium bug did not come to fruition. I'd have loved to have questioned him in depth but it wasn't an appropriate time. He's a lovely man but I was shocked at his comments. I suspect he voted leave

Stolen away from them

I think we can thank the fantastic Dr Fox for promoting that kind of bollox.