To think no woman should be forced to wax male genitalia

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www.thepostmillennial.com/another-b-c-woman-forced-out-of-business-in-transgender-male-genitalia-waxing-case/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

This is where self id has got Canada to.

A male identifying as a woman is suing 16 mainly immigrant women who work from home as beauticians because they only provide brazilian waxing services for females.

Many others have settled out of court for a quiet life.

AIBU to think that no-one working from home in a vulnerable situation as these women are should be forced to wax the genitals of anyone they don't feel comfortable waxing?

One of Jonathon's victims has come forward:

www.google.com/amp/s/www.thepostmillennial.com/exclusive-15-year-old-alleged-victim-of-jessica-yaniv-speaks-out/amp/

This is sad and disgusting.
People like him make things so much more difficult for genuine trans people.

People like him make things so much more difficult for genuine trans people.

But this person is "genuine". Have you not heard the slogan "Acceptance without exception"? Stonewall and all the other Anglophone LGBT groups insist on Self ID. Under that definition Yaniv is just as legit as any other trans person. If you question that you're transphobic.

Maybe this will bring it home to people why many women are so opposed to this ideology.

The Post Millennial have just published this article:

www.google.com/amp/s/www.thepostmillennial.com/as-absurd-as-it-is-the-jessica-yaniv-case-has-serious-implications/amp/

And if Yaniv ever goes to jail, they’d be put in the women’s wing!

People like these make things very difficult for genuine trans people

Yes but you know, there are very few of them. People like Yaniv make things very difficult for genuine women too and we make up 50% of the world's population.

I suppose at least this terrible situation has brought the world's attention to the dangers of allowing any man to say he identifies as a woman without any checks and balances.

And yes this sexual pervert would indeed be placed in a women's prison were he to be punished (given the protection he has from the Canadian woke brigade however that is extremely unlikely)

Yanniv is a bad, dangerous individual. But it is not fair or reasonable to insist that Yanniv is so representative of a class/group of people (trans women) that all members of that group should be treated with the same level of suspicion and placed under more restrictions than other people just in case they are as bad, dangerous and predatory as Yanniv. That's not so far off insisting that because some Muslims support the Islamic State, all Muslims should be treated as potential terrorists.

Well since no one has done any of that, you might want to put the straw down.

I'm not treating transwomen with 'suspicion', I'm treating them as men. Any one of whom insists on disregarding my consent and boundaries, will then subsequently absolutely be treated with suspicion.

It works perfectly as a risk assessment tool. Men constitute the predator class. Insisting on accessing women's spaces/services/awards, automatically makes them suspect.

Disregarding women's boundaries and consent makes women very uncomfortable. If you're happy making women uncomfortable, then you will be treated accordingly.

If you don't do that, then I won't treat you with suspicion. That's how NAMALT works.

People like these make things very difficult for genuine trans people

"Yes but you know, there are very few of them. People like Yaniv make things very difficult for genuine women too and we make up 50% of the world's population."

Well quite. This one person has disproportionately affected numerous women. The 16 who he is actually suing, all the others who he intimidated but didn't sue. All the young girls he has interacted with online. All the children he photographed in toilets.

He is 31. He must've been doing this for years.

One person - numerous, countless women.

One person - numerous, countless women.

One visibly male person in a space that has always been women only is likely to intimidate most if not all of the women for whom the space is intended.

It will make the space unusable by women from a range of religious and cultural backgrounds. They will be barred by the inclusion of males and thus their engagement with the world outside their homes will be lessened.

I have seen numerous TRAs online insisting that they have always shared our spaces - it's just that we never spotted them. From this I gather that they don't realize that if we spot males in female only spaces we tend to be silent and get out asap. We're not likely to challenge someone who is much stronger than we are. That they don't realize this is yet more evidence that they have no idea how women navigate the world.

All the children he photographed in toilets

I realise it's perhaps a silly thing to focus on - as you know I'm not as up to date with all this as some - but the image of him with his phone in the ladies ranks as one of the more disturbing things I've seen

Why would anyone even want to take pics of girls in their loo anway??

What a genuine trans person? If he says he's trans, he's trans. If he says he's a woman, he's a woman. There is no genuine. They're all as genuine as the next.

Hang on Sarah, if he does this, doesn`t it make him a man who likes to dress as a woman and perv. on children.

I realise it's perhaps a silly thing to focus on - as you know I'm not as up to date with all this as some - but the image of him with his phone in the ladies ranks as one of the more disturbing things I've seen

It's the glee. The gleeful look that says I'm Teflon and this is now completely acceptable, way hey.

"I'm not treating transwomen with 'suspicion', I'm treating them as men. Any one of whom insists on disregarding my consent and boundaries, will then subsequently absolutely be treated with suspicion.

It works perfectly as a risk assessment tool. Men constitute the predator class. Insisting on accessing women's spaces/services/awards, automatically makes them suspect.

Disregarding women's boundaries and consent makes women very uncomfortable. If you're happy making women uncomfortable, then you will be treated accordingly.

If you don't do that, then I won't treat you with suspicion. That's how NAMALT works."

You have put this absolutely perfectly, @Datun.

Reanimated, it is nowhere close to arguing that all Muslims support IS. Nobody is saying that Yaniv is representative. They're saying that he is using self ID laws as a mechanism by which to abuse women. There is no parallel to race or religion here, because no legal structure exists to allow the sort of person who thinks all Muslims are terrorists to extort and bully their way into mosques so they can intimidate people in them. It is the existence of that legal structure that is the problem.

Self ID made this inevitable and while Yaniv is clearly not representative of trans people, he is a feature not a bug.

Self ID made this inevitable and while Yaniv is clearly not representative of trans people, he is a feature not a bug.

He is a representative of predators. And yes, the feature of trans ideology being implemented in law, means that all predators can use it.

We are told, on the one hand, that this is not representative of trans people, and on the other hand, that anyone is trans who says they are. Or is a woman.

So yes, Yaniv is absolutely representative. Because the criteria is merely saying some magic words.

The absolutely nonsensical notion that sex is determined by the way you think, has led directly to this.

Four years ago, when I first looked at this, one of the first comments I read on here was a woman saying dear lord, this is just a rapists' charter.

It is.

The point there is that clearly not all trans people are predators. Because, well, they're not. Some of them have been loud and effusive voices for safeguarding. One can understand that the idea of changing sex is nonsense whilst also knowing this.

It's just we are in a Schrodinger's Trans situation: this is indeed a rapist's charter. It's structural, and the existence of the structure itself is the problem. ReanimatedSGB's reluctance to accept this is why her analysis is flawed

It's the glee. The gleeful look that says I'm Teflon and this is now completely acceptable, way hey

And that's what stick in my craw - perverts' expectations that they can attach themselves to the Trans community and get away with it

I've seen perfectly decent Transwomen posting on this very forum, saying that they detest biological womans' rights being swept aside and that it's simply not necessary. So why on earth is singling perverts out for criticism deemed an attack on the entire Trans community, when it's actually no such thing?

Above all, what really annoys me is that many who said this kind of thing would happen were met with howls of outrage and instantly damned as hysterical bigots and all the rest. Only it is happening right in front of us, so where are all those critics now?

Miranda Yardley is a transsexual who goes by he him pronouns and uses men's facilities. So it's perfectly possible.

But then Miranda cares about women's safety and comfort. He sympathizes with women. He doesn't insist that he is one.

Indeed. There are others who also speak against self ID and the harm it does such as Fionne Orlander.

I've seen perfectly decent Transwomen posting on this very forum, saying that they detest biological womans' rights being swept aside and that it's simply not necessary. So why on earth is singling perverts out for criticism deemed an attack on the entire Trans community, when it's actually no such thing?

Because it's not an objection to how you might feel about the rest of the trans community. It's an objection to the possibility that the laws and culture of TWAW will change to keep people like Yaniv out. That can't happen.

And of him exposing not just the ridiculous notion of gender identity, but how anyone can exploit these incredibly shaky laws. Some people want to maintain those laws, whilst being forced to agree with you that Yaniv is a problem.

Oh yes, Yaniv is a problem, and yes we need to keep people like him out, oh no you can't do that by sex segregation.

And the justification is

Because validating men is far more important than anything else.

And yes, I completely agree that men with gender dysphoria are not the ones pushing for this. They, like me, know that they are men.

And FWIW thinking of previous discrimination cases: I think the jeezus-jumping B&B owners should, regrettably, have been allowed to decline clients who made them 'uncomfortable' on the grounds that the B&B is also their home - but the bakers should have been told to suck it up and bake the gay cake.
Please no. When the law takes into account feelings then all becomes blurred. The B+B owners were not allowed to discriminate against gay men. They were allowed to specify only married couples, but did not ask anyone if they were married so couldn't use that as a defence. Their objection was based purely on disapproval/dislike of a couple because of their protected characteristic. The bakers could not have denied a cake to a gay customer because they were gay, but were within their rights to refuse to write something they disagreed with on said cake. (and they did offer to provide the icing bags for the customer to write whatever they wanted)
The Yaniv case is about someone with such a sense of entitlement that Yaniv has taken in upon himself to bring these test cases. Not all the cases are intimate waxing, but all are lone women or those with religious beliefs preventing them from touching/being touched at all by any man other than their immediate family. Yaniv is trying to push the system so that trans 'rights' supersede religious freedoms and women's right to refuse service in a situation which makes them potentially unsafe.
Yaniv can turn up in court talking about Yaniv's need to be waxed to align with Yaniv's identity but what it comes down to is 'my protected characteristic must trump yours'; particularly clear given that when offered the waxing Yaniv did not pursue it.
Yaniv states that Yaniv identifies as a woman. Most women do not have intimate waxing. Therefore the premise of Yaniv's argument is flawed.