To think no woman should be forced to wax male genitalia

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www.thepostmillennial.com/another-b-c-woman-forced-out-of-business-in-transgender-male-genitalia-waxing-case/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

This is where self id has got Canada to.

A male identifying as a woman is suing 16 mainly immigrant women who work from home as beauticians because they only provide brazilian waxing services for females.

Many others have settled out of court for a quiet life.

AIBU to think that no-one working from home in a vulnerable situation as these women are should be forced to wax the genitals of anyone they don't feel comfortable waxing?

blogs.spectator.co.uk/2019/07/why-we-cant-ignore-the-case-of-jessica-yaniv/

"It boils down to this: is Jessica Yaniv a woman? Really? I say no, he isn’t. He’s a man. And therefore he has no right to access services or spaces that are reserved for women."

That's a riveting article. Minces no words:

But while Yaniv’s human-rights action might be eccentric, it also entirely follows the logic, the central logic, of the transgender ideology. Which is that you can be any sex you want. You can self-ID however you like. Feel like a woman? Then you’re a woman. And anyone who says you aren’t is a bigoted, disgusting spouter of hate.

This is at the core of the trans ideology. And it explains why so few media outlets are commenting on the British Columbia case — because they instinctively know it represents the warped but logical endpoint of that ideology.

Another good article by Meghan Murphy also in The Spectator

spectator.us/yaniv-scandal-end-product-trans-activism/

"Indeed, this is precisely what feminists tried to warn politicians, the media, activists, and the public would happen, should we accept the notion that it is possible for men to ‘identify’ as female. How can we possibly protect women’s boundaries, spaces, and rights, if men can be women, regardless of their male biology? What even is a woman, if not a female?"

Thanks for that link. Another good article. Yaniv - and fellow travellers - are the inevitable outcome of TRA demands for Self ID.

I think, maybe, we need to wait for the verdict before screaming that we're all doomed because of transpeople. Yanniv is a horrible individual and there seems to be enough evidence that Yanniv is a vexatious litigant with an unwinnable case. Nasty people push at the boundaries of the law all the time. If those nasty people lose their cases, then the law is probably OK, even if it allows for nasty people to bring cases.

As he has used the Tribunal to bully a special needs woman to tears and sexually humiliate various others plus hound them into closing their businesses, to say nothing of how many he might have extorted in mediation, your confidence seems misplaced.

The law really isn't OK if it allows 'nasty' people to use the HRT to harass and distress multiple women from immigrant backgrounds, vexatiously.

There is a lot more coming out about this person and they seem to be be a seriously dangerous sexual predator. Which begs the question if this person gets sent to prison for predatory behaviour presumably if he self declares himself to be a woman he will be put in the women's prisons where he can just carry on his predatory behaviour

Things cannot go on like this there has to be a tipping point

I also saw this picture on Twitter this evening which I thought was quite funny

It does make me ponder that if the case is found in their favour then it would blow self id out of the water in the Uk as it would peak trans too many for the very real issues to be ignored.

"It boils down to this: is Jessica Yaniv a woman? Really? I say no, he isn’t. He’s a man. And therefore he has no right to access services or spaces that are reserved for women."

This is good and bad for me.

Good that it's reaching a wider audience and being called out.

Bad because the mantra being pushed is TWAW, acceptance without exception. I don't want to give any quarter to the proponents of self ID to wiggle out of this one.

JY should not access services or spaces reserved for woman because JY is a transwoman; a subset of men.

There are many incidents of bad people using the law to harm others: it's an ongoing struggle to scumbag-proof law and make access to justice as fair as possible. Think of all those wealthy, powerful rapists who have used libel laws to silence their victims, for instance - yet I think most people would agree that it's important to retain the principle that you can take legal action against someone who is maliciously making false accusations against you.
It's unfortunate that this vile individual's misuse of the law to abuse others is sending some people in the diretion of: let's act as though all transwomen are abusive predators and frame laws that will punish them disproportionately for being trans.

Is the only publication brave enough to mention this The Spectator? I have already mentioned this, but I find the fact that the whole Canadian press is so craven on this issue not only astounding but profoundly worrying.

I know that here you would probably get the Guardian (or even the BBC) underplaying things or minimising the story, but you could count on another paper (even if you disagree with its general philosophy) to cover all the gory details and bring it to the public's attention. But in Canada, nope. Nothing. Strange.

Well pink news seem to think that the government have kicked gra reform into the long grass once again

twitter.com/PinkNews/status/1154021047957643264?s=19

A lot of the reason for this has been grassroots action by women mainly, organising and meeting and campaigning to try and get their voices heard.

The fact that their voices are talking common-sense and that there are so many predatory men taking advantage already of the current situation shows that there is a real problem with allowing anybody to self identify themselves as the opposite sex.

let's act as though all transwomen are abusive predators and frame laws that will punish them disproportionately for being trans.

No it is 'oh hang on, you mean trans women are not somehow magically safer than men? who knew?'

You seem very reticent to accept that this particular abuse is a direct consequence of self ID and would be impossible without it reanimated. At this point, the pretence that this is about framing laws to punish people for being trans is a pathetic bad faith argument. I see you. Fuck off with that.

Would a small disclaimer at the end of the treatment list work?

Brazilian - £40
Hollywood - £35

(Must have vulva)

Or offer a sack and crack wax for £500

I know a cinema put up prices for kids under 5 to £100 after 7pm, worked brilliantly.

It's unfortunate that this vile individual's misuse of the law to abuse others is sending some people in the diretion of: let's act as though all transwomen are abusive predators and frame laws that will punish them disproportionately for being trans.

Women who want to retain those few spaces sex segregated for our safety privacy and dignity do so not because TW are trans but because they are male.

Males commit the overwhelming majority of both sex and violent crimes. Aid agencies put top priority on creating separate washing and toileting facilities for women and girls. This is because of the danger men pose to us. If this is true in disaster relief zones and refugee camps then why is the safety of women here less important?

JY is using Self ID to try to force beauticians to touch JY's cock and balls. Should JY win then in Canada all men who identify as women will be able to insist on the same.

This case is the logical end product of Self ID - that if a man says he's a woman he must then be treated in absolutely the same way as a woman.

And don't act as if JY is a rarity. There are umpteen other cases, though none quite as bizarre. If you support Self ID you need to own this.

This story is bonkers. I can't believe women are having their livelihood threatened because they refuse to handle a man's meat and two veg.

Abusive individuals have always been good at finding loopholes, and convincing other people that they should have access to the vulnerable; that they should be obeyed and indulged, and that they couldn't possibly be dangerous because they are 'special'. That very small (but not non-existent) percentage of non-trans women who are predators may rely partly on the fact that the general view is 'women are kind and nurturing and not abusive' but they are also likely to seek out professional roles or social positions which give them an extra 'special permission' to invade others' privacy and hurt them.
Yanniv is a bad, dangerous individual. But it is not fair or reasonable to insist that Yanniv is so representative of a class/group of people (trans women) that all members of that group should be treated with the same level of suspicion and placed under more restrictions than other people just in case they are as bad, dangerous and predatory as Yanniv. That's not so far off insisting that because some Muslims support the Islamic State, all Muslims should be treated as potential terrorists.

This case makes me so angry, but I’m glad that it’s happening.

Those poor beauticians. They are essentially victims of the left wing.

Abusive individuals have always been good at finding loopholes

This is not a loophole, it's an open door. With a a welcome mat.

non-trans women

Wtf? You mean women? I'm not a non-trans or a non-man. Wow agenda much.

... group of people (trans women) that all members of that group should be treated with the same level of suspicion

As men. Yes. Because they are non-women. And I know you've seen the stats.

Yanniv is a bad, dangerous individual. But it is not fair or reasonable to insist that Yanniv is so representative of a class/group of people (trans women) that all members of that group should be treated with the same level of suspicion and placed under more restrictions than other people just in case they are as bad, dangerous and predatory as Yanniv. That's not so far off insisting that because some Muslims support the Islamic State, all Muslims should be treated as potential terrorists.

No, that's a bogus comparison.

What is IS like, is protecting all women from all male born people, as we have been doing for a very long time now - not because ALL men are predators, but because there is no way of telling.

Changing that system to let a whole bunch of men who want to abuse women to circumvent it just on their say-so is madness.

If Canada compels women to handle men's penises if they say they're women, then they're forcing women into sex work against their will.

Waxing to remove hair is NOT sex work.

But, waxing someone to give them a sexual kick IS sex work.

Being forced by law to wax someone to give them a sexual kick against your will is state sponsored sexual abuse. And certain men will do this for kicks if they can.

Canada must rule against JY. If not they're complicit in the sexual abuse of vulnerable women.