To think no woman should be forced to wax male genitalia

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www.thepostmillennial.com/another-b-c-woman-forced-out-of-business-in-transgender-male-genitalia-waxing-case/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

This is where self id has got Canada to.

A male identifying as a woman is suing 16 mainly immigrant women who work from home as beauticians because they only provide brazilian waxing services for females.

Many others have settled out of court for a quiet life.

AIBU to think that no-one working from home in a vulnerable situation as these women are should be forced to wax the genitals of anyone they don't feel comfortable waxing?

Oh right, if a few extremists on Twitter say it, then it must be true!

It isn't a few extremists on Twitter though. It is the fundamental basis of the whole ideology.

A woman is no longer a member of the sex class that produces large immotile gametes and is characterised by the absence of Y chromosomes but anyone who 'feels' like a woman.

Either you support that or you don't.

If you do. At all. On any level, Yaniv is as much of a woman as any woman on earth.

If you don't no transwoman is a woman and none should be permitted in women's spaces.

All else leaves men arguing over which of them should be 'allowed' to over-ride women's right not to consent to being in vulnerable situations around members of the opposite sex.

I pressed YABU in error. I clearly meant to press YANBU.

Moreover, according to Hansard, the exploitation of the GRC was originally predicted in parliament. By many people (because it's bloody obvious), but they were shouted down.

Well, except for the possible exploitation by women who might have 'transitioned' to become the eldest son and inherit an estate, for some reason that wasn't shouted down.

Funny, that.

Funny, that.

Quite. Especially as the cohort who would be voting on this might well overlap with the cohort whose estate is in question.

Yesterday I took 2 of my kids for their immunizations I was asked how my children self-identify they are 2 & 5! I was also asked if either of them self identify as indigenous peoples?

Thank god neither of them self identify as a cat or a dog, you don’t know what they’d be injected with. Or maybe they’d have been turned away

I’m very confused. I read JY’s own words describing their very heavy menstrual flow and someone’s posted here that JY’s mother testified under oath about JY’s periods, but JY describes their self as Trans M to F?

I’m also confused as to why JY hasn’t been brought to task over their racism.

I’m also confused as to why JY hasn’t been brought to task over their racism.

Because of the climate of fear that has been successfully hilt up to protect this aggressive new trans rights lobby; and which labels any criticism - whether related to the trans issue or not - as transphobia, bigotry, hatred, denying their right to exist etc.

The trans cloak protects all.

meditrina - "Nobody should ever feel pressured to touch anyone else’s genitals for whatever reason"

Those people should not be working in a journey b which includes genital contact tyhen.

Just like Christians cannot any longer offer services only to Christians, really. The core principle was established long ago. No-one came forthe Christians, said actually they are right and should be able to offer services only within their belief system. They said they must change mods or close.

This is, unfortunately, exactly the same. And the principle that if you offer services they must be inclusive, has been the established norm for a couple of decades now.

These service providers probably need to change the range or type of services they offer. Just as all those who went before them have had to do, so that all goods and services are inclusive.

Thankfully, this is completely wrong, at least under UK law.

The EA makes specific provision for the legality of single sex service provision:

www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2010/15/schedule/3/part/7/crossheading/singlesex-services

The women would be protected under sub-paragraph 7:

(7)The condition is that—

(a)there is likely to be physical contact between a person (A) to whom the service is provided and another person (B), and

(b)B might reasonably object if A were not of the same sex as B.

The explanatory notes make it very clear -

734.Single sex services are permitted where: ...

they may involve physical contact between a user and someone else and that other person may reasonably object if the user is of the opposite sex.

And among the examples of what the exceptions would allow:

a massage service to be provided to women only by a female massage therapist with her own business operating in her clients’ homes because she would feel uncomfortable massaging men in that environment.

The service doesn't even have to involve touching genitals, just physical contact.

I also find it interesting that you use the male pronouns "he" and "his" about Yaniv, despite your insistence that he is a woman. Despite yourself, you unconsciously admit that he ia male.

I know you apologised for misreading but the problem is that TRAs, who come on here and call me 'disingenuous' for asking how JY is not female when they themselves say anyone can be female if they say so, are now saying that only 'genuine' trans are really trans...and again pretending that I cannot be communicated with because I am pointing out their total two faced bullshit.

Either you think people can change sex, and that someone who says they are the opposite sex should be treated as if they are, or you don't. You can't pick and choose who to support and who not to support.

If you think that people can say this, and must be treated in the way of their self determined gender, that goes for JY all the way from his chicken fillets to his sad hairy balls. And Karen White. And all the other rapists and murderers and paedos that are using this to get access to women and children.

Oh right, if a few extremists on Twitter say it, then it must be true!

Unfortunately it's not just a few extremists on Twitter. It's organisations which are advising our government on policy and providing training in schools and to institutions such as the police.

Sackrifice's point is that you either accept the ideology wholesale that feeling like a woman, or even just choosing to dress like a woman occasionally (crossdressers are included under the 'trans umbrella') makes you a woman, or you are transphobic. Under the ideology which is currently informing our government and pushing hard for self-ID, you cannot point out that Yaniv has male genitalia. Doing so makes you transphobic. Under this ideology, which is being taught to primary school children, Yaniv has a female penis. If Yaniv ever assaulted any of those 10 year old girls Yaniv is so obsessed by, say by forcing Yaniv's lady penis into one of their orifices while sharing a changing room with them, Yaniv's crimes would be counted under female statistics.

We know it's absolutely ludicrous. We know it flies in the face of any critical thinking or reasoning. But you either drink every drop of the trans Kool Aid or by their definition you are transphobic.

This is what GC feminists have been pointing out for a while now. We are not transphobic. We have been able to foresee the risks to women and girls of self-ID and don't think a feeling should be allowed to trump biology especially where safeguarding is concerned. I practically stood up and applauded ripples' post. I feel sorry for them that they are most vocally represented by Yaniv and those who think what Yaniv is doing is stunning and brave and groundbreaking rather than seeing it for what it is - the actions of a predatory pervert.

JY has deliberately picked on those women as he is a racist as well as a pervert. There are many places he could have gone for his wax, but picked on them. He clearly has mental health issues,mixed with being a chancer, a cf, and a pervert. I suggest those of you who haven’t already had a look at the long standing threads on feminism chat about this whole situation take a look
. It’s a warning to the UK, and the Scottish government in particular , of what lies ahead for all of us if we allow our rights to be ignored.

And trans women are not women!

This is absolutely terrifying. I had intimate waxing this week with my beautician of many years. It was the last appointment and she locked the door as she was on her own as it was just we two. I would hate to think of her potentially losing her business if this dangerous twattery is exported here.

Ripples we could do with posters like you standing alongside us, your voice is possibly less grating as you are trans; women seem to be drowned out.

I clicked YABU in error and it wouldn’t let me change the it. So sorry one isn’t true

When I looked it was on 3% YABU, I wonder if a significant number of those were misclicks?!

CoolCarrie and if you posted that phrase pn a Feminism chat thread you'd get a deletion. Three deletions and it's it a ban.

This is a good starting point for anyone new to the debate:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3145470-Break-it-down-for-me

Weezol , I am not new to the debate.

I didn't say you were. I recognise your user name. I was 'just saying' as it were.

starzig Thu 18-Jul-19 21:30:55
What about female doctors? Should they be allowed to refuse to examine a man's testes.

Just saying that starzig is either an idiot or a trans man or an apologist. In what life, in what reality does a female Doctor examining a male patient and a Beautician doing a Brazillian even compare?
One has no choice but does it, the other has a choice because she is self employed. She could not do you if she didn't want to. But that toxic idiot man has ruined so many women, what a cunt!

I apologise Weezol, thank you for pointing out how we have had to watch our words.

It’s interesting to note my comment is still there.

This is beyond scary. Everyone has the right to live a peaceful life but not at the expense of women’s rights which were hard fought for. It seems it’s the untrustworthy who are speaking up about wanting access to women only spaces.

It feels like the world has gone mad and men are using the trans umbrella to come out with fetishes and gaining more power and control over women.

The man in question in this case is a vile excuse for a human being.

What about female doctors? Should they be allowed to refuse to examine a mans testes
Health care practitioners are made aware before they start training that they will be required to provide care, including intimate care, to the opposite sex. The only care they are allowed to refuse is actively assisting in abortion. So no, they would be in breach of their contract.
No such contract exists for waxers.

'Her penis'...sorry but those 2 words in a sentence do not exist.
What a hateful person to ruin these ladies businesses.
He is obviously doing the rounds with the intention of suing (or getting some kind of pleasure from them, perhaps?)

The fact that this case involves such a hateful human being is in a way irrelevant. Even if the complainant was the sweetest kindest person, he still wouldn't (shouldn't!) have the right to make anyone touch his genitals! As others have said, if this is upheld, it's state sanctioned abuse.

No, I don't think that fact that Yanniv is a scumbag is irrelevant at all. Only a scumbag would have brought such a case - a transwoman who wanted an intimate wax (and who wasn't a horrible human being) would just approach a salon where the service is available.
I'm not an expert on Canadian law, but if they have the equivalent of designating someone a 'vexatious litigant' (someone who repeatedly launches legal actions as a way of harassing other people) than that's what this nasty person deserves.