To think no woman should be forced to wax male genitalia

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This is where self id has got Canada to.

A male identifying as a woman is suing 16 mainly immigrant women who work from home as beauticians because they only provide brazilian waxing services for females.

Many others have settled out of court for a quiet life.

AIBU to think that no-one working from home in a vulnerable situation as these women are should be forced to wax the genitals of anyone they don't feel comfortable waxing?

Why did you respond to my post, not by answering my question, but by asking me questions? Answer my question first.

Because it is a free country and you are not my boss?

I am really flabberghasted by the complete double standards here. You want to say you are trans but don't support JY when he says he is? So yes that would make you transphobic going by what TRAs tell us all the time; if someone says they are then they are. 'No debate'.

Weird huh?

Jonathan / Jessica Yaniv @TrustedNerd

I enjoyed typing that

No one is using the authenticity of JY’s trans status as the basis for why what he’s doing is unacceptable.

You are changing the goalposts and the discussions to make a rather strange point.

Supporting trans people, doesnt mean unequivocally supporting all trans people’s decisions and actions.

No one is using the authenticity of JY’s trans status as the basis for why what he’s doing is unacceptable

If he genuinely believes that as a female he has the right right to have female beauticians perform waxing on his female genitals, what is the problem? Why wouldn't you, as pro-trans as you say you are, fully support him?

Trans people are people, which means that some of them are unmitigated shits. As with any group/class/category of humans, some individuals are going to be unpleasant or dangerous. Even the category 'female-born gender critical feminist' is going to include a percentage of individuals who are dishonest, cruel or even sexually predatory.'

calm down sack. I meant no animosity towards you with my last post.

I think JY is a dangerous person. I believe JY is self-serving. I also don’t believe JY stands for the same values that I do, as a transgender person.

I have no time for TRA’s, for what it’s worth.

Oh wait, it's once again about forcing women to comply with male wants

Exactly

How can you support someone asking for a procedure on a body part they do not have?

By the way, JY wouldn’t appreciate you choice of pronouns.

And seriously, his female genitals ?

No one has the right to have any one do anything. I am self employed. If someone wanted me to do something in my line of business that I wasn’t able or willing to do, then I would hope that I could say “no”, without suffering any repercussions to my livelihood.

How can you support someone asking for a procedure on a body part they do not have?

Id like to point out it isn't my opinion, it is the British Columbia law that says this. I don't support him. I am pointing out if you make these laws, then this is what happens. The procedure would be on his female ball sack. As he is a lady. So by refusing to wax him, they are discriminating. Because being trans, on his say-so, it is the law that you have to treat him as you would a female.

Yes it is fucking madness. But this is what happens and will happen.

When you allow self ID, anyone can say anything and take you to court if you do not behave appropriately.

By the way, JY wouldn’t appreciate you choice of pronouns. i give no fucks about pronouns.

And seriously, his female genitals? He is trans, that is the BC law!

You seem angry. Why?

My point seems to have flown over your head...

And actually, I think your point may have flown over mine...

I am am absolutely appalled that his monstrosity is being given credence and the case is actually being heard.

This 'transwoman' is doing a massive disservice to genuine trans women

Due to this thread I had a quick look at the twitter of this person.

Firstly JY - You are NOT a woman, you are a self identifying trans woman. Little word - hanging your male breasts in an ill fitting bra is not a good look.

Secondly - You absolutely come across as a male predator questioning if 'women in changing rooms have their tits and pussies hanging out' and even more disgusting if any woman has come across a tampon string 'hanging down'. Then to prove your paedophilia you 'question' if you, as a born male, should 'advise' a 10 year old on inserting a tampon.

You are a freak. It's disgusting that this case is even being heard, and let me tell you fact - you look like a man, you act like a man and no matter what the PC brigade fight your case you will NEVER be a woman.

Get over it.

And I absolutely expect my post to be removed to 'protect' the human rights of this freak who obsesses about 10 years old periods - go figure.

You seem angry. Why?

Of course I am angry! This absolute fucking pervert is dragging unknown numbers of women through the courts, making many of them have to give up their jobs, pay him thousands of Canadian dollar to make it go away, fuck up their mental health...and the law - until yesterday - was protecting even the disclosure of his name.

Question is, why aren't you angry? Why aren't the trans community shouting down this pervert? Why are they not rallying round the women involved? Why are there ZERO journalists in court?

The outrage, certainly for a lot of people, is how, exactly, can this actually be happening? It's so bizarre, so wrong.

And the problem is, it starts with the fiction that you can change sex. And all these scenarios were predicted (well maybe few people predicted this exact thing).

If you implement laws that ignore sex, the number of ways they will be exploited will only ever be limited by any one individual's imagination.

It's no good, clearly, saying that won't happen. It will. It is.

And now Canada looks stark, staring mad.

Moreover, according to Hansard, the exploitation of the GRC was originally predicted in parliament. By many people (because it's bloody obvious), but they were shouted down.

Why wouldn't you, as pro-trans as you say you are, fully support him?

Because I’m not an idiot and have the ability to think critically about different situations? And in this case, forcing a beautician that specialises in Brazilian wax on vulvas to wax someone’s balls does nobody any good. It’s absolutely unfair on the woman in question and it does the trans community no favours either.

If you’re seriously not understanding why anyone who can be pro trans rights can also see that a penis is not the same as a vulva, well you clearly have a very black and white view on life and it’s pointless having a conversation about it.

If you’re seriously not understanding why anyone who can be pro trans rights can also see that a penis is not the same as a vulva, well you clearly have a very black and white view on life and it’s pointless having a conversation about it.

The point is, that that IS what the TRAs are telling everyone. That it is 100% no questions asked, complete agreement, man is woman, penis is female, up is down. Whatever anyone says is true and entitles them to every benefit, place or space reserved for the sex they claim to be (and TRA ideology not only says they now are that sex, but that they have always been it)

And if you disagree with ANY of it, you are a bigot and a transphobe.

There is no room for being "pro trans" and only believing/agreeing with some parts of it, or saying someone is not "genuine" like Yaniv, according to them.

I think the best way to deal with this specific issue would be to make people who sell services (or goods) from their homes exempt from discrimination laws and allow them to reject clients without having to give a 'good enough' reason. A salon, for instance, would be able to provide intimate waxing to anyone's genitals if there were some staff members trained and willing to do so - and staff working in a salon, with colleagues nearby, are less likely to feel unsafe/intimidated if a client is unpleasant.
And FWIW thinking of previous discrimination cases: I think the jeezus-jumping B&B owners should, regrettably, have been allowed to decline clients who made them 'uncomfortable' on the grounds that the B&B is also their home - but the bakers should have been told to suck it up and bake the gay cake.

Oh right, if a few extremists on Twitter say it, then it must be true!

Which TRA’s have claimed a penis is the same as a vulva?

Because we are talking about the actual bits here. None of that ‘lady dick’, they don’t wax ‘lady’ dicks or Male dicks they wax vulvas, so anyone who believes a penis and a vulva is the same is ridiculous.

The only thing that can possibly make this a trans argument is that they’ve said they wax ‘females’ rather than ‘vulvas’ in a country with self ID. Aside from a terminology issue, for which if English is your second language you’re unlikely to know, it’s not even really a trans argument.

It’s akin to a transman with long hair suing a barbers who refuse to style it. Nothing to do with you being trans, everything to do with them not providing the service you’re looking for.

The point is, that that IS what the TRAs are telling everyone.

Well we don’t have to agree with them - again not accepting that disagreeing with TRAs on this makes me a transphobe. They aren’t the final arbitrators.

If he genuinely believes that as a female he has the right right to have female beauticians perform waxing on his female genitals, what is the problem?

Because he hasn't got female genitals - he has male genitals. There is no such thing as a "ladycock" or "lady balls".

People like Yaniv make life even more difficult for the ripples of the world, who have a genuine dysphoria, and just want to live life s peaceably as they can in the way that makes them most comfortable with themselves.

I also find it interesting that you use the male pronouns "he" and "his" about Yaniv, despite your insistence that he is a woman. Despite yourself, you unconsciously admit that he ia male.

He won't like that . . . .

sackrifice

Just realised from a further post of yours that I have misunderstood your stance on this - I apologise. I misread and I apologise unreservedly. My only excuse is that I've been up since half past five this morning and am knackered.