To think no woman should be forced to wax male genitalia

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www.thepostmillennial.com/another-b-c-woman-forced-out-of-business-in-transgender-male-genitalia-waxing-case/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

This is where self id has got Canada to.

A male identifying as a woman is suing 16 mainly immigrant women who work from home as beauticians because they only provide brazilian waxing services for females.

Many others have settled out of court for a quiet life.

AIBU to think that no-one working from home in a vulnerable situation as these women are should be forced to wax the genitals of anyone they don't feel comfortable waxing?

I personally don’t care if this person is ‘genuine’ trans or just jumping on the bandwagon, makes no difference whatsoever to the fact they had a penis and the woman did not provide services for penis’s and therefore had every right to refuse

Yes, a female penis. And it is transphobic to deny him his rights to have his lady penis waxed.

Weird how you say 'They can support a trans persons right to live as their desired sex, to use preferred pronouns, to dress as their preferred sex and to not be discriminated against or attacked because of this'...but if you believe this, and follow this line of thinking, then this is exactly what has happened here. JY is being discriminated against because the women would not wax his female penis. Hence taking it to the BC Human Rights Tribunal.

Medical treatment is very different to cosmetic/beauty treatments, though, @starzig. One is a necessity, the other is not.

And doctors do get to decide where they want to specialise, and once they have chosen a speciality, people don’t expect them to work in an entirely different one. No-one gets up-in-arms because a dermatologist refuses to do brain surgery or a cardiac surgeon won’t do your hip replacement.

If someone really does not want to deal with a certain group of patients, they can select a speciality that will keep them away from that group, as much as possible.

I personally don’t care if this person is ‘genuine’ trans or just jumping on the bandwagon

Also, if you believe that there is a difference between 'genuine' trans people, and those that jump on the bandwagon, then that is transphobic. Not sure if you knew that?

You either believe everybody, or no body. You can't discriminate to just believe your personal selection of 'genuine' trans people.

This is more like a legless person who asking for a pedicure.

@sackrifice - the penis is a male organ. The person with a penis is genetically male. It flies in the face of biological fact to talk about the ‘female penis’ - and it feeds into the abuse of biologically female lesbians who do not want to have penetrative sex with a person with a penis, even if the penis-haver feels they are female, and a lesbian, and calls their penis a lady cock, and wants to break through the ‘cotton ceiling’ - aka get into the lesbian woman’s knickers, and who feel they have the right to abuse lesbian women for not wanting penetrative sex with penises. People who feel that biologically female lesbians can ‘get over’ their ‘genital preferences’, and have perfectly adequate sex with penis-havers. Call me crazy, but surely sex should be great, wonderful, amazing, not just adequate and something one can cope with.

sack I’m not giving you the benefit of the doubt any longer - unfortunately for you I’m not easily manipulated.

JY doesn't even want their bits waxed. JY found women willing to do it but afaik never had it done. JY just found a number of women who refused and started or threatened legal action against them.

sack I’m not giving you the benefit of the doubt any longer - unfortunately for you I’m not easily manipulated

I couldn't give a toss. You called me disingenuous and yet, seem to be transphobic yourself.

@sackrifice - the penis is a male organ. No shit, Sherlock. It's the likes of Early that are confused here. And yet, are happy to insult me, virtue signal of how pro-trans they are, yet not be accepting of JY's penis even though they have spent months having a go at/insulting others who think [quite rightly] that a penis is a male sex organ.

I am transgender

I am appalled by this person who calls themselves Jessica Yaniv.

I am trans.

That means that I have a disconnect between my biological sex, that is, the sex that I actually am, and the sex that I wish I was. No amount of surgery, alteration, identification, or indeed law, or social construct, will change that fact. All that will ever do is try to afford me more of a connection between who I am and who I wish I was.

You (by you I mean anyone) can call me what you like. I can insist that you call be by a preferred pronoun, by a specific gender, but it will not change the actual fact.

And it's for that reason that I choose to be identified as transgender. Not male. Not female. I am most definitely not the latter. I don't relate to the former. So I fall in an area that doesn't align with either.

If I am not female, then I shouldn't have access to female only spaces. If I choose to reject my male identity, then I can choose to reject access to male spaces. That is the choice that I CAN control. But that does not give me any right to access female only spaces. I personally do not care what rights the law gives me in order to do so. I will make the choice not to impose myself on those spaces. Because those spaces do not exist for people like myself. They exist for women.

Yaniv is trying to control a space that Yaniv is not entitled to control. Yet Yaniv quite clearly feels ENTITLED to CONTROL it.

And that is why Yaniv appalls me.

@MadamePompadour is right - this is purely about JY abusing vulnerable women. It makes their nasty nature absolutely clear (if it wasn’t already).

How come if you a stick a child of 3 in a room with a six people
Male
Pre op trans female
Post op trans female
Female
Pre op trans male
Post op trans male...
That child will be able to tell you what sex 4 of the 6 are ...
Post op the child would give them as they present...

How ever if you still had a penis but had boob surgery's the child would call you male.....

Thing is, there are plenty of places (in Canada, too, by the sound of it) where waxers are happy to wax any and all paying customers. There isn't anything inherently wrong with a trans person wanting an intimate wax and seeking out someone willing to provide the service.
This individual is abusive, self-obsessed and sounds dangerous. It sounds to me, a little, as though Canada has framed some aspects of its human rights/anti-discrimination laws rather badly, with too many loopholes, so that abusive wingnuts can launch vexatious cases (like the nappy bloke - and I bet there are a few others that weren't such headline grabbers because they were obnoxious but it was nothing to do with genitalia.)

Sorry they have to be nude

There are absolutely salons in Vancouver offering to wax testicles. More than one manzilian provider there.

It's the likes of Early that are confused here. And yet, are happy to insult me, virtue signal of how pro-trans they are, yet not be accepting of JY's penis even though they have spent months having a go at/insulting others who think [quite rightly] that a penis is a male sex organ

I’ve never once argued that a penis is a female sex organ or in favour of self ID.
You are the one who has said anyone who doesn’t support JY in this case is anti-trans.
I have called you out on this (although am equally surprised no one else has) well, kind of

You are the one who has said anyone who doesn’t support JY in this case is anti-trans.

You can't just pick and choose which trans people you 'support'. If you are 'pro-trans' then anyone who says they are 'trans' is as equal as others. I can't see how you can say otherwise.

What is it that would make someone [in your words] 'genuine trans' then?

I don't support JY. Does that make me, a trans person, anti-trans?

I really don’t know if you’re being deliberately obtuse here or not.
I have said I don’t care if JY is ‘genuine’ or not. JY wanted a service that the woman in question did not provide, there should Be no question over weather these woman should’ve been ‘forced’ to provide this service.
You don’t sue your hairdressers because they won’t shave your beard if they’re not qualified too.

I don’t think it’s transphobic or anti trans to think people have the right to say they wax vulvas and not nutsacks.

Medical treatment is different but if a client believes they have a uterus but they don't could they technically sue for not getting a hysterectomy? I'm confused so just trying to get clarification.

I don't support JY. Does that make me, a trans person, anti-trans?

What is it you are not supporting JY on? If he can prove that he genuinely believes that he has a female sex organ, and that his rights as a trans person should not be discriminated against, just as you genuinely believe that your sex doesn't match your body, then what is the problem with him taking these women through a tribunal, because his rights in BC are now enshrined in law?

I have said I don’t care if JY is ‘genuine’ or not.

Yes exactly. What do you mean by this term 'genuine' trans that you keep using?

By definition a transsexual is:

a person who emotionally and psychologically feels that they belong to the opposite sex

Sack

Why did you respond to my post, not by answering my question, but by asking me questions?

Answer my question first.

Also, you’ve got it wrong. I don’t genuinely believe that my sex doesn’t match my body.

My sex does match my body. That is the problem I have with myself.