to not want to sign off my emails with preferred pronouns?

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We've had an email do the rounds today at work saying in the next few weeks all staff are expected to sign off with their preferred pronouns, to save any embarrassment for any staff.

I don't want to.

Can I fight this somehow?

Oh it is the undefinable femininity essence! I knew it was. Can you buy it at boots?

Perhaps time to worry about what’s between your ears ...

Usual insults start up if you hear something you don't like, see what I mean about no point even trying to explain?

I am interested in your explanation roses.

I’m just really concerned about equating femininity with womanhood, and don’t know what this sense of self means. If you say you have it, I accept that. I certainly accept transgender people have a sense of being the opposite gender. But I think the same courtesy needs to be extended in response so when others say they don’t have it and don’t want to be referred to as cis, that is respected and they aren’t referred to as transphobic.

I believe female biology is the root cause of a phenomenal amount of discrimination and oppression against women, and so I don’t think it’s reductive for female people to want to place importance on it.

Oh but you have explained. It’s the essence. Many thanks for clarifying. I think I’ll manage without though. But you crack on, god love you.

But you crack on, god love you.

Oh, are we patronising now? Don't worry then lovey I'll crack on just fine dear.

Yes. Yes I am. You make it so easy .,.

Yes. Yes I am. You make it so easy .,.

Ah, just clarifying that's what we were doing. That's nice then dear.

The thing about senses of self is they don't spring into being fully formed. Children develop them based on what they observe and what they're told. Rather than make a religion out of people's sense of what they are, why not ask where they got that idea from? Small children don't understand sex. They observe differences and over-generalise. Until adults explain that no, being a girl isn't about having long hair, it's about having a vulva not a penis. You feel like you're a woman because you've been told from a young age that you're a girl and grown up girls are women.

A feeling doesn't come with the syllables "wo-man" attached. We attach words to our feelings based on observations. What observation then could a male make to tell them that the feeling in their head is "woman"? Stereotypes, that's what.

RosesandRaindrops
can you give a practical example of this feminine identity that is
neither actually related to sex identity (being female) nor a stereotype.

The thing about senses of self is they don't spring into being fully formed. Children develop them based on what they observe and what they're told
No. That's not it. Not for me anyway. I've always had a strong sense of female self as you put it, even when tiny toddler who definitely doesn't know what a girl or a boy is "supposed to be" if that's what you mean by "told".

And when you were a baby learning the meaning of the word "girl", you were told you were one and probably stereotyped accordingly. If you'd been told you were a carrot and dressed in orange every day you'd have had a strong feeling of being a carrot and needing to wear orange.

Roses
I accept that you have this sense of being a woman, which you interpret as being nothing to do with what sort of body you have. I don't have that sense. Can you accept that not everyone feels the way you do?

People are divided into two categories, according to their reproductive function. It makes no sense to me to divide people according to a subjective sense of self which some people have and others don't, when there is an objective, scientific and rational way to distinguish between the two classes of people.

What reason is there, in your view, to use the subjective classification in which many people are unable to classify themselves, rather than the objective one, in which everyone has a place?

(okay probably not unless you were around a bunch of other carrot-identified people to identify yourself with, but you can't dissociate your identification with a word from how you were taught the meaning of that word)

Can you accept that not everyone feels the way you do?

I can, yes.
So why can't some people accept that I do have it and others clearly do too?

Would you answer my other questions, roses? I accept that you have this 'sense' of being a woman, which is disconnected from your body, and you accept that I don't. How am I to classify myself in your subjective system if I don't have this sense of being a woman or anything else? Why not just use biology as we always have done up until now?

Receipts of vile transphobia please?

I'll share every thread on it here in a group on FB who work to ID transphobes and out them to their employers. They are very successful at it too. Don't bother with me... I just had a very strong word without myself

Curious
Self/Employed

Threatening to doxx people is so right on! Mumsnet love a doxxer.

*who's

How am I to classify myself in your subjective system if I don't have this sense of being a woman or anything else?
As a woman.You have a biological woman's body (presumably as I don't know you lol)
To me though, my sense of self is woman too and it is just as important and a part of me being a woman as my body is.

You really are a hysterical loon. Go tantrum some more.