to not want to sign off my emails with preferred pronouns?

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We've had an email do the rounds today at work saying in the next few weeks all staff are expected to sign off with their preferred pronouns, to save any embarrassment for any staff.

I don't want to.

Can I fight this somehow?

Also, you poor credulous creature, that is not a midwife.

Only biological women have them.
And girls, sorry, should have said that. But yes, only biological females have vaginas. We are not "reduced" by that fact. Its just a fact.

Real midwives don't tend to think of women having vaginas as 'reductive'. Because, job.

God save me from a midwife who talks about cis women, and refers to women as 'Mum' - unless the patient is trans, of course, when they're graced with a name as they're a proper person.

I don't know where the terms trans woman and trans man came from, but what a mistake that was, to accept those terms, because that was like a wedge in the door and with a hop, skip and a jump we got to the present nonsense position where trans women are treated as a subset of women in the same way that black or white women are. The further I get into all of this the more convinced I become that the words woman, man, girl, boy, female, male have to be firmly anchored to biology and only biology. There is no ladybrain. It isn't possible to 'live as a woman'. It's only possible to be a woman or to be a man. I don't know what 'womanhood' means, other than the condition of being a woman, which comes entirely from biology. Ditto manhood.

For a midwife of all professions not to see this is baffling.

I'd like chapter and verse on how many women who haven't just given birth are able to establish full lactation and breastfeed, without the use of harmful drugs that would pass into the baby's bloodstream.

I loved that too Juells- yes, I might deign to call you by your name instead of 'Mum', that's how caring I am. Hey, thanks.

We are not "reduced" by that fact. Its just a fact
Nobody's disputing that? That's not what the poster was saying (don't think it was, anyway) We all know biological women have them, nobody's said differently.
She was saying that people on here do a grand job of reducing women down to just their body parts.
That's how I read it anyway as I feel the same if that's what she meant.

And no reply to my question - if you asked me what I wanted to be called and I said a woman, not a cis woman, would you refuse?

She was saying that people on here do a grand job of reducing women down to just their body parts

How anyone can read the pages and pages of arguments and experiences and quotes on here and suggest that the women who write them just reduce women to their body parts needs to give their head a wobble.

And no reply to my question - if you asked me what I wanted to be called and I said a woman, not a cis woman, would you refuse?

Who, me? Sorry, didn't realise you had asked me a question.
Of course I wouldn't refuse, I've never used the word cis myself and wouldn't call you it.
Not a fan of that word myself

She was saying that people on here do a grand job of reducing women down to just their body parts.
That's how I read it anyway as I feel the same if that's what she meant

Where has someone reduced womanhood to “body parts”? I think people are making the point that there are consequences to having female biology that have an impact on women’s lives to a greater or lesser extent. Never ought that to be more clear than on a maternity ward.

If womanhood isn’t about biology then what is it about? What is the other aspect of womanhood that is reduced down? Because if you mean femininity, then I think that’s incredibly reductive

vaginafetishist - we're just an anonymous mob, unlike thespecial people who have identities. 😂

I get so sick of the constant accusations of 'reducing women down to just there body parts'. Those body parts are what make us women. I don't go around all day thinking "I have a vagina and breasts" but it's a fact of life. For many, those body parts are what govern what they are allowed to do in their lives, what jobs they can do, whether they can walk down a street late at night, whether their career will follow a smooth path.

Those body parts are what make us women
It's part of what makes me a woman. Me being a woman is not solely just what's between my legs and under my t-shirt though thanks.

What else do you feel makes you a woman roses?

Roses, what is it that you think makes you a woman other than those things? And how much of those things would be important if you had different anatomy?

I had a thread about email pronouns in FWR recently. Still hasn't landed widely at my workplace thankfully though the woke are trying. So still pondering what I will say if pushed.

I think just not do it. If anyone asks me I will explain honestly why not. I think stating pronouns is part of genderist ideology. I'm not comfortable with this ideology as I find it misogynist and homophobic. So no, I will not be adding pronouns to my email signature.

Undefinable femininity essence I expect.
I have never had this and I can’t say life’s been the poorer for it.

We all know biological women have them, nobody's said differently.
No. ONLY women and girls have vaginas, which isnt reducing us to body parts, it just is a handy way of classifying which half of the population is female.
Its not a matter of opinion, or a philosophical theory. Or even a special club.

What's the point in even trying to explain? Never goes well on here.
Maybe you're just your bits, I'm not.
I have a sense of self as a woman, nothing to do with feelz, nothing to do whether I like blue or pink or tractors or Barbies or whatever.
I just am, it's me. Maybe you are just your boobs etc, I'm not though.
I don't care if you don't agree and think I'm making it up, but that's how it is for ME.

I do live the way these people always adopt these self-loving mantras. “ I am more than my genitalia!” Are you dear? That’s nice. So are most of us. Perhaps time to worry about what’s between your ears ...

And to catch up to the recent comments rather than the OP, this is what I don't get. I have literally nothing in common with a transwoman (that I don't also have in common with DH say). How dare they say it's not about stereotypes, of course it's about stereotypes. Talk to any trans person about when they first realised they were trans and they list what stereotypes they didn't get on with as a child. It's ALL about stereotypes.

Undefinable femininity essence I expect.

Is it that feeling where you are sure you have misplaced your handbag for a minure?

I have never had this

So because you've never had it, it doesn't exist?
That's a strange outlook, could say that about anything.
"I've never had that so therefore it can't be real."
Ookay

“Sense of self as a woman” oh I love it.
I, personally, have a tremendous sense of someone talking shite.

I do live the way these people

These people? You mean transwomen? As I'm not if that's what you meant, I'm a biological woman.