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to not want to sign off my emails with preferred pronouns?

838 replies

AlphaBites · 10/07/2019 21:46

We've had an email do the rounds today at work saying in the next few weeks all staff are expected to sign off with their preferred pronouns, to save any embarrassment for any staff. Hmm

I don't want to.

Can I fight this somehow?

OP posts:
Siameasy · 10/07/2019 22:08

I would conveniently forget too
Our diversity head has started doing this on his emails
Meanwhile I was mis sexed in a report the other day and no one died

BringOnTheScience · 10/07/2019 22:08

The point of this is to normalise stating your pronouns. The more that everyone does it, the easier it becomes for those who feel that they need to do it. It costs you nothing to change your sign off to
Bring Onthe Science
she/her
Inclusion Manager
but it could make a massive difference to someone else.

Is it really so hard?

donquixotedelamancha · 10/07/2019 22:10

Can I fight this somehow?

Yes. No is a full sentence. You can't be disciplined or mistreated for not believing in Genderism. I would ignore it.

Alternatively:

"My pronouns are Your Imperial Majesty and Her Imperial Majesty" followed by complaints when they aren't used.

"My pronoun is It in all situations. Please replace you/her/she with It."

"My pronouns are sex based, just like my oppression" Fab one from an FWR poster.

abitfedup · 10/07/2019 22:10

I have always thought I was above average at English - not degree level good but OK - but I don't 'get' this. Blush

What is a pro-noun? And why would you sign off your name/signature with it?

Am I thicker than I thought? Blush

donquixotedelamancha · 10/07/2019 22:12

The point of this is to normalise stating your pronouns....Is it really so hard?

Yes, we get that. That's the problem. The idea that you can dictate the grammar of other people is unpleasant.

BernardBlacksWineIcelolly · 10/07/2019 22:13

you don't use pronouns when you're talking TO a person, you use them when they're not there. so it's not about being polite to someone's face, it's about controlling how you talk about a person when they're not there

people who specify their pronouns want to control your speech

they can whistle as far as I'm concerned

Writersblock2 · 10/07/2019 22:13

The irony doesn’t escape me that someone named BringOnTheScience supports this bollocks. 🙄

Isthisafreename · 10/07/2019 22:14

Saw something on the feminism board about this. It was suggested that HR be asked had they carried out a risk assessment of the potential impact of such a policy on unconscious bias and on stereotype threat. That's my plan is it comes in where I work.

I'm happy to follow up with references to research showing that women are more likely to suffer as a result of bias if emphasis is placed on gender.

MarieIVanArkleStinks · 10/07/2019 22:14

I’d be tempted by (it, that).

The scary thing is that there’s a legitimate risk I could be fired for this.

MidsomerBurgers · 10/07/2019 22:15

Tell them you're gender fluid? And you change your mind every thirty seconds?

Or you have multiple personality disorder and each one identifies as a different gender?

BringOnTheScience · 10/07/2019 22:15

Or you could do one teeny tiny thing that will take

donquixotedelamancha · 10/07/2019 22:15

What is a pro-noun?

You he she her him

And why would you sign off your name/signature with it?

As PP says: to normalise that you can tell everyone what pronoun they can use for you, rather than the correct one.

e.g. He for a woman or made up ones like xe, xir.

CurbsideProphet · 10/07/2019 22:15

My area manager has added this to their email signature. Woke virtue signalling to the extreme.

Purpleartichoke · 10/07/2019 22:17

people at my office are starting to do it on their own. I’m hoping it doesn’t become policy. If it does, my plan is to forget unless they push me on it. At that point, my plan is to say that I’m not comfortable sharing such personal information.

BringOnTheScience · 10/07/2019 22:17

Writers... yup!
Meet my two queer kids sometime. They're not bollocks, thank you very much.

Mitebiteatnite · 10/07/2019 22:18

My pronouns are Fuck/Fucker/Fuckery

Woe betide anyone who doesn't use them when addressing me/speaking about me in my absence.

abitfedup · 10/07/2019 22:18

Thanks @donquixotedelamancha

I still don't get it. Blush What is the point in the case of the OP... What are they asking the OP to do?

Isthisafreename · 10/07/2019 22:18

@BringOnTheScience - *Or you could do one teeny tiny thing that will take

RHTawneyonabus · 10/07/2019 22:18

I frequently communicate with ‘Barry’ NRN but something very much like it. Barry feels the need to include pronouns on his email which seems a bit pointless since his name is Barry.

My name is fairly unisex and people do often assume I’m a man, I’ve never been offended by this, why would I? My workplace is very diverse and I do my best not to assume the sex of someone if their name is one from another culture and that seems to work fine. I really don’t see the need for this.

LaurieMarlow · 10/07/2019 22:19

Just don’t do it. What are they going to do?

topcat2014 · 10/07/2019 22:19

I would like to be known as "Reverend" or "Father".

topcat2014 · 10/07/2019 22:20

Even more scary is the fashion for including a colour photo!!

WonkoTheSane42 · 10/07/2019 22:20

*I have always thought I was above average at English - not degree level good but OK - but I don't 'get' this.

What is a pro-noun?*

You don’t need a degree to know what a pronoun is. You learn the parts of speech in fucking primary school.

As to the point of the thread, it literally costs you nothing to do this. Literally nothing. But ofc you’ll fight it tooth and nail because it might make a trans person’s life ever so slightly easier.

MsJaneAusten · 10/07/2019 22:21

The idea that you can dictate the grammar of other people is unpleasant.

Have you told pedants’ corner that? They might have missed the memo.

CuriousaboutSamphire · 10/07/2019 22:21

I pondered this and decided I would just play daft and do what I did a t a networking event when asked to put my preferred pronoun on my badge

Kind Regards
Full Firstname Surname (Shortened first name)

Mainly because I never use my full name and am always known by the short version. I would say I had assumed personal pro-per noun was required.

But, as it will never happen for me, I'd love to think I'd be brave enough to challenge HR on impact assessment and bias!

But yes, in my last job there is a good chance I would have been fired or managed out!

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