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to not want to sign off my emails with preferred pronouns?

838 replies

AlphaBites · 10/07/2019 21:46

We've had an email do the rounds today at work saying in the next few weeks all staff are expected to sign off with their preferred pronouns, to save any embarrassment for any staff. Hmm

I don't want to.

Can I fight this somehow?

OP posts:
AlwaysTawnyOwl · 12/07/2019 19:57

Antecedent as a midwife you must know that sex is observed, not assigned, at birth.

PinkieTuscadero · 12/07/2019 19:57

For me, my anatomy is not what defines my womanhood

It's grim that 'as a midwife' you are all about fuzzy feelings rather than biological reality.

Really grim.

PinkieTuscadero · 12/07/2019 19:59

I would have absolutely no faith in your abilities 'as a midwife'. You sound like a hysterical teen.

RosesAndRaindrops · 12/07/2019 20:04

Hysterical for having a differing opinion?
Wow, wonder how that'd go down if someone called "your" side of the discussion being hysterical.
Not very well I'd imagine?

PinkieTuscadero · 12/07/2019 20:06

Hysterical for her initial 'cunt' comment and her 'I have nothing in common with anyone on this thread' comment.

HTH.

PinkieTuscadero · 12/07/2019 20:06

Reading a thread is often helpful.

SlocombePooter · 12/07/2019 20:07

And a charming midwife too. Do you do smear tests?

TheBigBallOfOil · 12/07/2019 20:07

This is not a midwife.

RosesAndRaindrops · 12/07/2019 20:09

Reading a thread is often helpful

I have. Still doesn't change the fact that you're calling someone you don;t agree with hysterical

SlocombePooter · 12/07/2019 20:09

I agree ball. God save us from fetishists and fantasists.

TheBigBallOfOil · 12/07/2019 20:10

And fuckwits.

PinkieTuscadero · 12/07/2019 20:11

Yes, Rose. Because I think she sounded hysterical from the off.

Hope that clears things up for you.

AnyOldPrion · 12/07/2019 20:14

Hysterical might imply having a womb Pinkie. Testerical is a useful alternative on occasion.

RosesAndRaindrops · 12/07/2019 20:15

Double standards on here never cease to amaze me

GrumpyMiddleAgedWoman · 12/07/2019 20:15

My womanhood is largely defined by my anatomy. My sex determined a huge part of my upbringing. I was a tomboy as a teenager, as a way of escaping some of the restrictive expectations about makeup and clothes that I never felt comfortable with.

I never felt more womanly than when breastfeeding my babies. At the moment I am looking ever so gender conforming with my skirt and long hair, but on Sunday I will be out taking part in what is still (wrongly) regarded as an overwhelmingly male pursuit, and I'll be wearing a pair of grubby trousers and murky trainers to do so.

In some parts of my life, I fulfil traditional female stereotypes. In others, I absolutely do not. I don't give a shit about gender. The thing that defines as me as a woman is my body.

PinkieTuscadero · 12/07/2019 20:17

Testerical is a useful alternative on occasion.

I like it. Maybe cisterical will soon be in widespread use too.

Throckmorton · 12/07/2019 20:19

Antecedent - "you have all reduced womanhood to having a vagina and breasts or not having a penis"

If you read the thread, you'll see it's chromosomes that define sex. A woman who's had a hysterectomy and a double mastectomy is still a woman. A man who has had his penis removed is still a man. If they ask to be referred to by whatever pronouns they like then I absolutely will, but if you could explain why their desire to use different pronouns means I should put my pronouns in my email, despite this increasing bias against me, then that would be great.

Prawnofthepatriarchy · 12/07/2019 20:47

This is not a midwife.

I don't think so either. It's my day for it. There's another poster giving wildly contradictory messages on another thread I'm on.

aliasundercover · 12/07/2019 20:47

For me, my anatomy is not what defines my womanhood

Wha the does define your womanhood?

Prawnofthepatriarchy · 12/07/2019 20:47

School holidays probably at least partially to blame.

HepzibahGreen · 12/07/2019 20:52

used that language because you have all reduced womanhood to having a vagina
Reduced?
Interesting.
I dont think having a vagina is reductive, its just that only women have them. I would be worried to have a midwife who didnt know that.

XXcstatic · 12/07/2019 20:55

Have you seen anyone with XY chromosomes pushing out a baby, antecedent?

Have you seen any babies that are not the product of an egg-producer and a sperm-producer?

RosesAndRaindrops · 12/07/2019 20:58

I dont think having a vagina is reductive, its just that only women have them

Only biological women have them. Transwomen don't. (Yes, they could have surgery before somebody points that as a ha moment, but it wouldn't be a biological one)
The poster who says they're a midwife will surely be well aware of all this so I wouldn't worry too much.
It's really not that hard to understand? I don't think it is anyway, maybe others really are generally struggling to, I dunno

Siameasy · 12/07/2019 21:00

what does define your womanhood

Hazarding a guess...some floaty essence or feeling probably 😂 yet to hear a satisfactory explanation from the biology deniers

TheBigBallOfOil · 12/07/2019 21:08

It’s really not that hard to understand - no, you’re quite right. The desire to bait, insult and marginalise women is all to transparent. Ridiculously easy to grasp, I’d say.

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