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to not want to sign off my emails with preferred pronouns?

838 replies

AlphaBites · 10/07/2019 21:46

We've had an email do the rounds today at work saying in the next few weeks all staff are expected to sign off with their preferred pronouns, to save any embarrassment for any staff. Hmm

I don't want to.

Can I fight this somehow?

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SlocombePooter · 12/07/2019 14:30

The childish jealous rage of it is sad.

legocat · 12/07/2019 14:30

'There is no debate about whether a trans woman is a woman or whatever. '
Can you specify the whatever?

RosesAndRaindrops · 12/07/2019 14:30

I'm a woman, I'm comfortable being a woman, I'm happy with she/her, but if someone chose to call me 'they' I wouldn't give a shit.

Same. Because I'm comfortable as a woman. It's me.
To a trans man though it wouldn't be though would it.
They'd presumably be identifying as a he. Not she/her like me.

Fibbke · 12/07/2019 14:30

It really is mind blowing how the arguments keep coming back to women having to be nice and move over.

SlocombePooter · 12/07/2019 14:30

Sorry to offend by being born female.

GrumpyMiddleAgedWoman · 12/07/2019 14:31

Innit funny how women are losing the right to choose what we are called? I am a woman, not a cis woman or a ciswoman or a cis-woman.

Woman. That's it.

Fibbke · 12/07/2019 14:31

To which the answer is a big fat NO

G5000 · 12/07/2019 14:31

Should I also specify that I'm cis-caucasian then, to be appropriately woke and liberal?

RosesAndRaindrops · 12/07/2019 14:31

The childish jealous rage of it is sad

Who's childish jealous raging? Confused
The person being trans? How do you figure that one out?

legocat · 12/07/2019 14:31

'It really is mind blowing how the arguments keep coming back to women having to be nice and move over.'
Yep. Otherwise we're all cunts apparently. Nice.

HeronLanyon · 12/07/2019 14:32

Well I utterly disagree antecedent

NoSquirrels · 12/07/2019 14:32

If the sex you were assigned at birth and your gender is the same, you're cis.

How do I know that, though? I get labelled ‘cis’ (perhaps ‘assigned cis’ would be the phrase) but as I don’t really give a shit about gender, other than regarding it suspiciously as harmful, how can I know if I’m cis or trans or gender queer or what? I don’t feel like a woman in a ‘thoughts & feelings’ way. I am a woman, though, and feel like one when I have a period or my boobs ache or whatever.

I’m not transphobic or ignorant.

Antecedent · 12/07/2019 14:33

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WeBuiltThisBuffetOnSausageRoll · 12/07/2019 14:33

Cis just means 'same'.

Yes, but it's how it's used and manipulated that many people find objectionable.

Male/man means having XY sex chromosomes and female/woman means having XX. Does that mean that a self-identifying transwoman is being 'difficult' or something-ophobic by not wishing to be referred to as male/a man?

Racists will say that the N-word literally just means 'black' at its root, so what possible reason could a black person have for not wanting to be referred to as it, eh....?

Fibbke · 12/07/2019 14:34

Yes i disagree antecedent. What you are insisting is fact is actually a belief system. That's fine, but, like religion, there are many belief systems, all more or less valid.

Antecedent · 12/07/2019 14:34

As a midwife, most of the trans people we see are men who are pregnant.

SlocombePooter · 12/07/2019 14:35

Male entitlement, don't give them what they want and you are a "cunt"

GrumpyMiddleAgedWoman · 12/07/2019 14:36

@RosesAndRaindrops, if I met someone who was presenting as male, but who I suspected was a transman, I'd use he/his, no question.

PinkieTuscadero · 12/07/2019 14:36

Apparently shrieking 'cunt' at women is the progressive thing to do.

Right on.

Alconleigh · 12/07/2019 14:36

Cis privilege. Mmm, yes, women are notoriously dominant over men. Oh wait......

Antecedent · 12/07/2019 14:37

What will happen if you admit to being cis? If you admit that unlike trans people,the sex and gender you were assigned at birth happens to also be the gender identification that makes you feel most comfortable and "you"? Like, what bad things would happen?

WaxOnFeckOff · 12/07/2019 14:39

Well, there is no such thing as having the wrong body. Your body is your body. Take away the boxes and you end up with men who like to wear dresses and enjoy "feminine" pursuits and who may or may not be gay. They are still men and vice versa for women. I agree they should not be discriminated for this. That has nothing to do with gender. It's more to do with social constructs and mental health than anything else. That's where our efforts should be focused, not on hormones and operations and fucking email pronoun preferences.

Fibbke · 12/07/2019 14:39

As a midwife, most of the trans people we see are men who are pregnant you see, belief system. I don't happen to believe that men can get pregnant. I understand the pregnant person believes they are male with female anatomy, but i don't believe that they are biologically male.

Antecedent · 12/07/2019 14:39

Cis privilege refers to the privilege we have from our gender and assigned sex being aligned. Of course that doesn't eradicate male privilege or female oppression. What's interesting is how "passable" trans men are given Male privilege and how that changes their lives and outlooks. Toxic masculinity is a big problem in trans male circles. Lots of people exploit it once they have it.

PinkieTuscadero · 12/07/2019 14:39

I'm more than happy to refer to a person as they want to be referred to in terms of first name and pronouns and I support a transperson's right to live as they want without fear of violence or ridicule. But I will never for a moment believe that a transwoman is as much a woman as a biological woman is. Because it's nonsense.