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to not want to sign off my emails with preferred pronouns?

838 replies

AlphaBites · 10/07/2019 21:46

We've had an email do the rounds today at work saying in the next few weeks all staff are expected to sign off with their preferred pronouns, to save any embarrassment for any staff. Hmm

I don't want to.

Can I fight this somehow?

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SlocombePooter · 12/07/2019 14:40

What will happen if I refuse to use a silly unnecessary extra word to describe myself? Woman is absolutely sufficient, thank you.

Alconleigh · 12/07/2019 14:40

I reject gender identity as a thing; it's societal stereotypes used to straightjacket both men and women. I am a human who is female by dint of biology. Everything else is personality.

WeBuiltThisBuffetOnSausageRoll · 12/07/2019 14:40

This is a very silly example, but a good one. In the days of Shooting Stars, one of the questions was about the Chris de Burgh song 'Lady In Red' and Vic or Bob asked if Chris had written the song about A. His recently murdered wife; B. His recently unmurdered wife; or C. I forget what the option given was.

Obviously, the answer was B and the question was worded for silly/comic effect, but for many ordinary female and male people, being told that they should identify as cis-female or cis-male is the equivalent of being expected to identify themselves as 'recently unmurdered'.

Fibbke · 12/07/2019 14:41

So you understand that male privilege exists but think women who resist it are cunts?

Confused
PinkieTuscadero · 12/07/2019 14:41

Toxic masculinity is a big problem in trans male circles.

I think you'll find that many transwomen aren't immune to toxic masculinity themselves.

RosesAndRaindrops · 12/07/2019 14:41

@RosesAndRaindrops, if I met someone who was presenting as male, but who I suspected was a transman, I'd use he/his, no question

So if a female was presenting as male and wanted to be known as he/his, you would be fine with that, you'd use their preferred pronouns. As that's a transman.
If it's a male presenting as female and wanted to be known as she/her, (transwoman) you'd refuse?
Why? You're either OK with it or you're not Confused

DeathyMcDeathStarFace · 12/07/2019 14:41

Dear Colleague,

I hope you find this e-mail informative.

Yours,

Me. (If anyone wishes to talk about me behind my back:
On a Monday I wish to be referred to as 'she'
On a Tuesday I identify as 'he', therefore need a pay rise of about 20% for those working hours,
On a Wednesday I am 'us', this involves two of me, therefore require double wages,
On a Thursday I am 'they', this is a minimum of three members of staff, please increase my pay appropriately,
On a Friday I am 'Groot', no other name or title. Please pay me via an interplanetary bank account,
On a Saturday I am 'Me, Myself and Irene' need three wages on overtime hours as it's a weekend,
On a Sunday I am 'Reverend/Allah/God/Elvis/Madonna/Buddah/Jedi', my gender is irrelevant and I am identifiable by a single 'name'.)

NoSquirrels · 12/07/2019 14:42

If you admit that unlike trans people,the sex and gender you were assigned at birth happens to also be the gender identification that makes you feel most comfortable and "you"?

But what if you just cannot understand this line of thinking because you don’t have a “gender identification”?

Apollo440 · 12/07/2019 14:43

There is no debate about whether a trans woman is a woman or whatever. None whatsoever.

Well that's super. Since you claim not to be a cunt perhaps you could state (note I said state because I know you don't do debate), what characteristics women and transwomen share that are not shared with men?
I can think of many characteristics that all females have in common that men don't but I am struggling with the above. I await your pearls of wisdom being so clever and not cunt like.

RosesAndRaindrops · 12/07/2019 14:44

Sigh, that was a bold fail. Top bit was s'posed to be quoting

Antecedent · 12/07/2019 14:45

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PinkieTuscadero · 12/07/2019 14:45

"Biologically male" is a outdated term

Facts will never be outdated though.

GrumpyMiddleAgedWoman · 12/07/2019 14:48

Sheesh, @RosesAndRaindrops, I was just giving an example. It would cut both ways because, despite resenting being told what I should call myself, and refusing to get with the program, I am not a 'cunt'.

However, I am of the school of thought that thinks that XX is one thing and XY is another.

And by letting someone tell me what I should call myself, when I'm already using a perfectly comprehensible term, I would lose a degree of my freedom and autonomy.

MarshaBradyo · 12/07/2019 14:48

Since words are important Antecedent, as you seem to agree, I reject the word cis entirely. I also reject being assigned a gender at birth, I was female before I was born.

I am happy to use correct pronouns people choose for themselves but no to cis.

Toooldtocareanymore · 12/07/2019 14:49

I don't understand why people just cant go along with this.

Just get over yourselves.

Your name doesn't tell everyone your pronoun, I work with two Lynn's one male, one female, we had an Ashley last year -male on work experience, yet every other Ashley I know is female. We have Chinese and Japanese clients who are usually more likely to sign their name surname then first name , so is Rock Chin a man or woman and which is their first name so I can not be embarrassed by getting it wrong and say dear Rock or Chin, I have German clients -female who hate to be addressed as Ms. they wished as engineers to be addressed as Dr. which is their technical qualification, I don't care so long as I know so yes at work I think they should pass a bloody law saying get over yourself and sign off name followed by your pronoun like TooOld Care (Ms.) .

Antecedent · 12/07/2019 14:49

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MarshaBradyo · 12/07/2019 14:50

Toooldtocare you signed it with your title not pronoun

bellinisurge · 12/07/2019 14:50

I'd just "forget ".

Fibbke · 12/07/2019 14:51

Nice article. Has nothing to do with using the word cis though?

Alconleigh · 12/07/2019 14:52

Yeah those aren't pronouns Tooold.....

Apollo440 · 12/07/2019 14:52

Women reject cis because they are not willing to cede that they are a sub-class of woman. The word is taken. Find another. Transwoman is fine.

Fibbke · 12/07/2019 14:52

Ms isnt a pronoun. Nor is Dr.

CuriousaboutSamphire · 12/07/2019 14:53

You probably thought that was some kind of 'gotcha' didn't you antecedant

It wasn't, it was just another tick on my Bingo card! It is a very, very over used trope... and we, GC feminists, see it for what it is - utter twaddle!

Fibbke · 12/07/2019 14:54

So antecedent, if i was pregnant and you were my midwife, and you asked how i wanted to be referred to, and i said woman, would you say no?

PinkieTuscadero · 12/07/2019 14:55

I certainly do not have anything in common with most the people in this thread.

Can't you see what a silly statement that is?

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