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to not want to sign off my emails with preferred pronouns?

838 replies

AlphaBites · 10/07/2019 21:46

We've had an email do the rounds today at work saying in the next few weeks all staff are expected to sign off with their preferred pronouns, to save any embarrassment for any staff. Hmm

I don't want to.

Can I fight this somehow?

OP posts:
Antecedent · 12/07/2019 13:54

I have no issue telling people my pronouns. I'm a cis woman so whilst I never have to think about pronouns because of how I look and present, plenty of people do. Trans people have said that everyone offering pronouns makes it easier for them to state how they prefer to be addressed and referred to so why would I refuse to do something so simple to help marginalized people? I'm not a cunt so of course I'm happy to do that. It literally means a small change in your signature.

PinkieTuscadero · 12/07/2019 13:59

I was encouraged to do this in my workplace. I declined. And it doesn't make me a cunt, no matter what certain highly strung bores might like to think.

Fibbke · 12/07/2019 13:59

I'm not a cunt so of course I'm happy to do that

Hmm
G5000 · 12/07/2019 14:03

I'm a cis woman - I'm a woman and don't identify as cis.

NoBaggyPants · 12/07/2019 14:07

@Antecedent sums it up perfectly. If it's helpful to others and zero effort to you, then there's no valid reason to refuse (unless you're an arsehole).

Fibbke · 12/07/2019 14:07

I'm also a non-cis and non-trans identifying woman. The word for people like me is 'woman'.

PinkieTuscadero · 12/07/2019 14:12

When all you have is name calling...

HeronLanyon · 12/07/2019 14:12

I am a woman. I need no further identifier. I don’t want anything further to now be imposed on me by men. Thanks.

BiscuitDrama · 12/07/2019 14:15

Not read the whole thread, but I might misunderstand and write (female).

CuriousaboutSamphire · 12/07/2019 14:16

No valid reason?

15 pages, 350 repsnses on this thread alone and NO VALID FUCKNG REASON?

I am me, myself and I? If you want more that's up to you but DO NOT try to make my pefectly legal, normal, unpretentious, mind-my-own-business take on life somehow cuntish, nasty or intolerant.

Keep your female-etic behaviours to yourself!

WaxOnFeckOff · 12/07/2019 14:17

If we divide the population by those that believe in made up nonsense and those that don't, then I fall into the latter camp. I'll stick with the science of two sexes and shall therefore style anyone with a penis as him/he and anyone without as her/she. I couldn't give a shiny shite about what people wear or which sex they choose to have relations with. Gender is about putting people with typical characteristics into defining boxes. I'm not sure that just creating more and more boxes is the answer.

Fibbke · 12/07/2019 14:20

No valid reason = no reason that we have allowed as ok

Antecedent · 12/07/2019 14:21

Ah I see transphobia is rife here. Sorry I thought this would be a liberal and socially conscious bunch of people.

Cis just means 'same'. If the sex you were assigned at birth and your gender is the same, you're cis. Just like being caucasian means you're white and sexual/romantic attraction to the opposite sex and/or gender means you're heterosexual. You can't not be cis if you fit that description. Just like someone who was born with female genitalia can't deny they were assigned female at birth or have the equipment to conceive and carry a baby.

Let's leave biology 101 behind and do some more advanced book learning on the complexities of social and biological identify, eh?

HeronLanyon · 12/07/2019 14:23

antecedent that a little patronising don’t you think ? Possibly literally ? You’re aware of the debate I’m assuming. You’ll be aware there are differing viewpoints ?

SlocombePooter · 12/07/2019 14:23

antecedent and pants you are being needlessly offensive. I thought you were terribly polite and considerate to others?

legocat · 12/07/2019 14:25

As women continue to be discriminated against in the workplace, drawing unnecessary attention to pronouns is regressive.

Fibbke · 12/07/2019 14:25

I don't really have a gender, in that it changes from day to day, its easier just to use my biological sex as a description, woman or female. Not sure why on earth thst is transphobic!

PinkieTuscadero · 12/07/2019 14:26

Let's leave biology 101 behind and do some more advanced book learning on the complexities of social and biological identify, eh?

Are you quite sure about that 'I'm not a cunt' thing?

legocat · 12/07/2019 14:27

antecedent - I wasn't designated female at birth - I was female while growing in my mother's womb.

GrumpyMiddleAgedWoman · 12/07/2019 14:27

Great post from @HigaDequasLuoff

I'm a woman, I'm comfortable being a woman, I'm happy with she/her, but if someone chose to call me 'they' I wouldn't give a shit.

I hope this nonsense never comes to my workplace.

Antecedent · 12/07/2019 14:27

Nope there are no acceptable viewpoints on this other than acknowledging cis privilege and working to make society a more equal and nicer place for people who aren't cis. Part of that might be offering pronouns as a default.

For me, people who are woefully ignorant about basic aspects of oppression and prejudice like transphobia need to be patronised so I will continue to speak to them like I would speak to Nigel Farage or Donald Trump.

There is no debate about whether a trans woman is a woman or whatever. None whatsoever.

RosesAndRaindrops · 12/07/2019 14:27

If somebody were using inflammatory language such as referring to a person as 'it' or worse, then that would be well out of order; but 'he' and 'she' are not negative or intended as insults in any way

Well, presumably to you it wouldn't be, would it?
To someone trans though if he or she isn't who they are, it would be negative or an insult if you were to keep calling them she or he when they weren't.

PinkieTuscadero · 12/07/2019 14:28

People having tantrums over the realities of biological sex really are the most pitiful.

PinkieTuscadero · 12/07/2019 14:29

There is no debate about whether a trans woman is a woman or whatever. None whatsoever

Stamp your feet and stick your fingers in your ears whilst you're at it.

Antecedent · 12/07/2019 14:30

Do you mean "as a cis woman, misgendering doesn't bother me so who gives a flying fuck if it causes someone else hideous distress?"

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