To think that for medical reasons it is important that transgender people are correctly sexed

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Saw this doctor on This Morning being called a bigot by Piers Morgan

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7227479/Doctor-sues-government-sacked-trans-views.html

Religious views aside, I think he raises an important point.

I've seen several cases recently where transgender people have been incorrectly identified by medical staff leading to their death/serious injury or the death of a baby.

Surely the solution is to retain their correct sex on medical records, birth certificate etc with a TG marker.

So AIBU to think that for medical reasons alone it is important that transgender people are correctly sexed?

Bloody hell! I think this may be the very first time I have been Woked into submission!

TRA Bingo it is...

So do we have female toes and male toes, too? Female and male umbilici? Female and male ears? Do behave.

Simply, the word female can be used as a gender (i.e. what you feel) and a sex (what body parts you have. Same with the word male.

It's not about attributes. You just... know. You know how you identify. It's something that makes up 'you'. That 'you' would still be you if you were a brain in a jar. That's your identity. And part of that identity is your gender. Unrelated to your body.

I also know a lot of trans* people that pass extremely well, and I'd not know they were trans if I met them now.

I give up. You are obviously so focused on sex and gender being the same thing, and who you identify as is the same as what bodily features you have.

My eyes, my eyes, my female eyes, they can't cope any more!

Make it stop!

To see how you would feel if you didn't have a body . You are on a wind up surely.

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There. Incontravertible proof!

Sex is biology. How does someone ‘know’ they feel the opposite sex? A man who likes knitting and baking? Who says? He likes pink and wearing dresses - well it’s a taste.

Can her carry a baby and give birth? No. He may think he wants these things - but why would he? The males who are being given god knows what to be able to produce a few drops of white liquid that they call ‘milk’ to feed to their poor child - who is this for? I certainly didn’t breastfeed for my benefit.

I would be a bit pissed off if I didn't have a body. However I would still make more sense than has been expressed here.

Gender doesn't exist!

It DOESN'T FUCKING EXIST!

IT IS NOT THE SAME THING AS SEX OH MY GOD ITS LIKE BASHING YOUR HEAD AGAINST A WALL AAAAGGGGHHH

As a woman, almost every time I have ever been to a doctor, my sex has been relevant. All of my health issues such as fibroids, low iron, hysterectomy, bladder problems and underactive thyroid relate to my female body. If I told the doctor that I was a man, then these problems would be impossible to treat properly.

Also, a transman who is taking testosterone would obviously have to be known as having a female body, otherwise why would a doctor be prescribing it.

@Lougle

Pretty much exactly. As I said, I think medical sex and gender should be recorded separately.

Trans people have 'changed sex' but they're conflating sex/gender too - they've changed gender. I don't think most trans people think they've actually changed medical sex, that's impossible, and most trans* people are aware of this. But because society conflates sex and gender and saying 'I've changed sex' is short hand for 'please treat me as this different gender' it's a problem.

When a transmale person ticks 'male', it's because they identify as male. And there's no way to also record they may have a vagina. If they tick female, then they're invalidating who they are. They should be able to record both.

It's not about 'changing biological sex' it's about sex and gender words being used interchangeably when they mean totally different things...

And yeah, if you don't have a vagina, don't go for a smear test - that's just common sense?

I remember that! Do you think once disconnected from his body he too felt agender? Or maybe not.

Why is gender relevant at a doctors anyway?

As for the typical smug "oh trust me, trans people have passed in your presence" bullshit:

One - not likely. In future, when lots of tiny children who should have been protected have been put on medication from pre puberty, yes maybe. But mostly no, you can tell in person, and people are just polite about it. The kind social lie that got us into this mess.

Two - that person STILL knows damn well that they're male or female underneath, or they wouldn't have ever had the words to be able to say they wanted to present in the opposite way or get surgery etc. Their doctors knew, their parents knew, they knew. Humans don't just randomly grow vaginas or penises as a surprise.

Why would a 'man' want to give birth and carry a baby? Maybe because they're a transwoman?

(Also my android app is refusing to add bloody paragraph marks and I apologise for that.)

But because society conflates sex and gender and saying 'I've changed sex' is short hand for 'please treat me as this different gender' it's a problem.

Why would we encourage people being treated differently because of sex/gender if there's no biological need?

Unless it has something to do with pregnancy or periods or other bodily shit that I can't opt out of I don't want to be treated differently to a male. That's just sexism.

So a trans woman is a man then? I think we are getting somewhere. But he still can’t carry a baby.

@yulet

I'd show you photos and you can play guess whether cis or trans, but I'm not ruining my friends privacy. Also, I still use their correct pronounds.

And they know what organs they have in their body and their chromosomes. Doesn't mean that they like them, or that they mentally aren't a different gender to their sex.

Also, I'm very solid, and have a physical body defined as female, have given birth, and get a period. This isn't connected to the fact I don't have a female (feminine?) gender identity.

Why do people on this site seem so fixated with trans issues?

You only 'know' if you have a frame of reference. Sassure is worth looking at. He developed the theory of semiology. We use signs to communicate. The sign is made up of signifiers (e.g. words or pictures) and the signified (the concept that is being communicated). When I say "bike" anyone who speaks English will think of a frame with 2 wheels, a saddle and a handle bars.

The signs female and woman, refer at a population level to be a human with the ability to have children (even if a specific person cannot have children because of a problem with their reproductive system). They do not refer to males who are ignoring their penis/testicle, or have it surgically removed.

You can say that you "know" your gender, but that's only because gender is defined in your mind as being . If you had gender defined in your mind by you'd never hold the belief that you were a gender contrary to your sex.