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AIBU?

Share your dilemmas and get honest opinions from other Mumsnetters.

To still feel shaken / upset at hospital

114 replies

26mcjrfm · 07/07/2019 20:27

This may be long, apologies.

I gave birth to my DD2, 2 weeks ago. I went to admissions when contractions were 4 in 10mins and I was in significant pain. The midwife was very rough with me, and triggered a panic attack when she examined me. She wouldn’t let DP in to the room as I had requested during the examination (?) She then informed me that I was not in labour at all as I was only 2cm, and suggested I was widely exaggerating my pain. I started crying at this stage, and got very panicked and upset, so she agreed to admit me to the antenatal ward until I had established labour. I asked would I have access to pain relief there and she assured me I could have gas and air and anything bar an epidural.

DD1 was back to back, and from the scans, so was DD2. During my labour with DD1, I was contracting continuously but was not dilating. I laboured like this in immense pain for 21 hours until I got to 3cm and they agreed to an epidural, and within 2 hours I had given birth.

When I got to the antenatal ward I asked for gas and air, and was told “you’re not in labour, you’ll get no pain relief here. I’ll run you a bath”. I explained what happened in my previous labour, and they just repeated again that I wasn’t in established labour as only 2cm. Now at this stage I was squealing the ward down in pain, begging for pain relief and was given 2 paracetamol. The midwives were visibly rolling their eyes at me and telling me to calm down. Every contraction was triggering another panic attack (I’d never experienced a panic attack until this day) and it got to the stage that I was pushing. I knew something wasn’t right but no one would listen. At 4pm I cried and begged for an epidural, so they examined me and said ok you’re 3cm now, we’ll see if delivery will accept you.

I arrived to delivery suite at 4.32pm and immediately requested an epidural. They hooked me up to foetal heart monitor and examined me and I was 9cm, so too late for epidural. Next thing, they hit the crash button and a consultant came running in. She explained to me that baby was extremely distressed and needed delivered, so she was going to manually remove the remaining cervix as I pushed. I was in agony. This didn’t work, so she started getting visibly distressed herself, calling out that theatre needed cleared out as this baby needed to be delivered. I consented to a c-section and just as we were about to go, my waters broke and she tried again and DD2 was delivered. After she had to be resuscitated but has made a fantastic recovery and we’re both doing great.

The consultant came back later that evening and explained that she came from an EMCS to me as my baby’s HR was at 60bpm for 8mins when it should be between 110-160 during labour. She explained that guidelines state that if foetal HR is lowered for more than 9mins it can be fatal, which is why it was essential that my baby was delivered ASAP. I am forever grateful to the midwives and doctors that helped deliver DD and save her life.

But I am so annoyed at the midwives at admissions and on antenatal ward who did not listen one bit to me, rolled their eyes, and refused me pain relief when I was so clearly distressed and telling them that I was in labour.

I have discussed this with my community midwife, who has suggested I request to talk to someone regarding my care and to get access to my green notes. But I don’t know what I would say. I have no grievance as DD and I are perfectly fine. But I just wish someone listened to me.

I guess I am asking WWYD? Would you request to speak to someone in the hospital? Or would you be thankful all worked out ok and take time to reflect yourself?

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26mcjrfm · 07/07/2019 20:29

Forgot to mention, arrived at delivery suite at 4.32 and DD was born at 5.02. All happened very quickly.

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CanCanCanYouDoThe · 07/07/2019 20:31

That’s horrible OP, I’m so glad you and your baby are ok. Something similar happened to me but my baby died. I would definitely contact PALS at the hospital to report it, they handled your situation in a totally unacceptable manner. Congrats on your daughter.

CottonSock · 07/07/2019 20:32

That sounds awful and a bit similar to my first delivery. I'm still a bit angry about parts of it now. It's still early days so must be very raw. I think you can ask for a review meeting if you feel it would help you.

Pantsomime · 07/07/2019 20:34

Oh I feel for you OP. Ask for a debrief at hospital. You can’t change what happened but it’s important they know how you feel and that the staff on duty know how you feel. It could lead to some training for them. Also I think ask for some counselling as you need to work through this too. I felt and was really badly treated in similar circumstances and it eats away at you, makes you angry and steals your confidence. See the hospital to get it out and then see a counsellor to help you work through it. Congratulations on your baby

lljkk · 07/07/2019 20:34

What time did you arrive in admissions?

Do you want an apology for the lack of pain relief when you were clearly in great pain, what can they do now that will help?

BlueMerchant · 07/07/2019 20:36

I'd be getting the notes and making a complaint about the quality of care you received.
It's early days and you don't yet know how this has fully affected you mentally. This is trauma that could have been likely prevented and it would be horiffic to think of another woman going through this.
They need to be investigated at the very least.

Surfskatefamily · 07/07/2019 20:37

I would talk it through. I had a traumatic birth experience and spoke to birth reflections and they feedback as necessary to midwives or consultants. It's important so other women don't get this same experience.
Also it might help you feel more positive about future births if you decide to have more.

ThomasRichard · 07/07/2019 20:38

YANBU at all. It was a terrifying, excruciatingly painful experience for you and your baby could have died. Regardless of that, it is never ok for midwives to roll their eyes at the women in their care or lie to them about their care. Of course it’s ok to be upset and shaken.

I had a horrible birth with my first child and a year later requested a debrief via my community midwife. A senior midwife came to my house with my notes, went through them with me and talked honestly about the mistakes and inadequate care DS and I had received. Even though we were physically ok, it helped my mental health just to know that my concerns were valid and taken seriously. It’s something I would recommend if you feel it might help. Lessons will be taken from your experience by the hospital so that hopefully no other women will be treated in such a shameful way.

stoplickingthetelly · 07/07/2019 20:38

Oh goodness sounds like a very stressful and frightening situation. Thankfully you’re all ok though. I think you should follow this up. You were treated terribly and that needs to be addressed. Also, nothing will change for women in the future if people in your kind of situation don’t speak up. You never know, by highlighting their weaknesses you might save other women from experiencing the same things you did.

annikin · 07/07/2019 20:38

Personally I wrote a letter of complaint and got a very apologetic letter back, admitting everything I had complained about. Didn't change the facts but helped me to move on, and didn't have to have stressful meetings. Just an idea...

Babdoc · 07/07/2019 20:38

My sympathy, OP, for what was obviously a painful and stressful experience.
Before requesting a debrief or meeting with the staff involved, I think you should review your own memory of events and decide what exactly you want to achieve from meeting them.
In your shoes, I’d want an apology, and a promise that they will learn from their mishandling of your labour pain so that no more women get treated like that.
You might want different things, like the chance to describe your feelings at the time, or to achieve some kind of closure, or to shout at them for their inhumanity and unprofessional behaviour, or whatever.
Be very clear in your own mind of what your goals are for the meeting before you arrange it. And you might want someone with you for moral support if you don’t feel confident tackling unpleasant and dismissive staff.
Good luck. I hope you are able to sort this and move on to enjoy your baby.

26mcjrfm · 07/07/2019 20:42

Thank you for your messages - I wasn’t sure whether I was being ungrateful or hormonal! I think I need to speak to someone. In the days following when I was feeling and my uterus was contracting, I was getting panic attacks again.

lljkk- exactly, in a way I feel like this. What is done is done and there’s nothing they can do now. Basically I would like them to know that I wasn’t exaggerating my contractions and pain, and to let them know that possibly due to their inactions, caused my baby to become distressed. In the words of my consultant when she came back to see me “I was pissing myself”, so she was obviously scared as well and it was touch and go whether my baby would be delivered alive. Perhaps if foetal heart had been monitored in antenatal ward, they’d have seen that DD was in distress.

I arrived to admissions at midday.

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Spanglyprincess1 · 07/07/2019 20:43

I think it's important for everyone to learn from a particular situation. Feedback and a chat with pals. Will raise your concerns and ensure staff are aware for future situations.
I can't praise the staff enough for my delivery as they spotted ds was in distress and quickly resolved it, I had injuries as a result but it saved my babies life. The good news here is your baby is okay and the consultant clearly really supported you and gave you a summary of why they did what they did but you should feedback about your inital care.

WaterOffaDucksCrack · 07/07/2019 20:47

Those midwives should not be working in that environment. It's genuinely chilling that they are deliberately nasty to someone at one of the most emotinal and vulnerable times of their life. I'd definitely speak to PALS and anyone else it's appropriate to speak to.

theculture · 07/07/2019 20:47

cancancan so sorry about what happened to you

26mcjrfm · 07/07/2019 20:48

Cancancanyoudothe I am so so sorry for your loss Flowers that is heartbreaking

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blackcat86 · 07/07/2019 20:49

I'm really sorry this has happened to you. I had a traumatic birth and found a debrief really helpful to clarify what happened and where things went wrong. I went on to make a complaint via PALS and raised a concern with the nursing and midwifery council. I felt fine for the first couple of months and then PND and PNA got steadily worse. I will likely end up with a PTSD diagnosis. These things can and do happen but they should be challenged if you able to so that the hospital can learn from their mistakes. They should be considering this as a serious near miss but unless you kick up a fuss it will likely go unreviewed.

smashamasha · 07/07/2019 20:52

Please do take it further, for yourself and others.

I had similar - I was ok in the end as was baby but suffered severe PTSD.

If mistakes have been made, staff need to learn from it.

Glad you are both ok x

XXcstatic · 07/07/2019 20:53

YANBU. As an HCP, it infuriates me that women still often get such terrible, callous obstetric care (though obviously there are many great HCPs working in obstetrics too - like your consultant, who sounds great). Please do approach PALS and make a complaint, if you feel up to it. You will be helping to make the NHS safer

Yawninfinitum · 07/07/2019 20:55

@CanCanCanYouDoThe I’m so very sorry for your loss.

OP please write and feedback your initial experiences.
Those MW showed no compassion. That at the very least needs appraisal.

Hope you are ok and able to enjoy your new baby.

26mcjrfm · 07/07/2019 20:55

I am so sorry to all of you who have experienced similar Flowers it’s shocking the treatment in this day and age. I wish we were listened to, instead of the notion that they know better. Women know their bodies. It is heartwarming to know that some of you were listened to eventually. I will definitely be requesting a meeting, if only for closure. I am eternally grateful that we are both ok.

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Mammajay · 07/07/2019 20:55

Op please follow it up. Midwives will only improve if they learn from experiences like yours. Congratulations on your new baby.

WaterOffaDucksCrack · 07/07/2019 20:56

Those midwives should not be working in that environment. It's genuinely chilling that they are deliberately nasty to someone at one of the most vulnerable times in their life. I'd definitely complain via all the different channels. What disgraceful behaviour of them. As someone who works in healthcare it's unthinkable to treat a patient like that

WaterOffaDucksCrack · 07/07/2019 20:57

Sorry I've only just seen my message posted!!

florriepeck · 07/07/2019 20:59

So sorry for you, OP.
I teared up while reading your account, remembering my own experience with similarly heartless midwives.
It's something that you don't forget.
And my baby is now 29.

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