To wonder honestly what must go on in the minds of some men?

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I've just taken my niece out for lunch. She's 16 and with the arrival of the weather she's been wearing a t-shirt and a mini skirt with her converse. Typical look for your typical teen but for just during lunch alone she was accosted by 2 different men who asked for her number. Both men clearly middle-aged and trying their luck. I admit she does look older than a teen but sheer audacity of these men hitting on a 16 year old girl really riled me.

I always channelled my inner Mary Whitehouse " I beg your pardon?", "are you addressing me?" said in clipped tones. TBH didn't happen much I was a London kid who gave off a "don't mess with me vibe".

dadshere why on earth do men think it is appropriate to approach a young teenager having lunch with her aunt?

Why the fuck can't men like you just leave women and girls alone learn to read the room and the body language?

I'm sat in tears here, reading this.
I'm a single parent to a 4yr old little girl and I'm genuinely terrified. Petrified that I'm not going to be able to keep her safe from these sick monsters... (Post-natal Anxiety never really left me)

dadshere I think I was approached "respectfully" about 2-3 times when I was young & reasonably attractive. I was approached in a manner I would class as DIS-respectfully countless times. Unless you consider "cor, not many of them to the pound", "nice arse", "come & suck my dick" or "You know you want it" as respectful.

And there's a BIG difference between mistaking a 14-16 year old in going out gear/make-up for 19, and mistaking a guy in his 20s or even early 30s as being 50-odd.

We meet other people by talking to those we have contact with in our everyday lives anyway, like at work, school, Uni, sports, parties etc. Not by approaching a total stranger having their lunch with an older relative.

Men need to be laughed at when they do this. They need to be humiliated and made to feel gross because they are. We need to teach our daughters that it is okay to say "absolutely not", with confidence, when approached by leering pervs with misplaced confidence and a God complex.
It's just disgusting.

And how many men approach girls "respectfully"? Plenty! Probably the majority.

Ha ha ha ha ha ha. Oh, honestly, that is so funny. Thanks for the laugh, I needed that.

You are talking to women and girls on here: we are the best authority on how men treat us. I was first sexually assaulted at age 8 or 9. First followed age 11. By the age of 13 I knew that that was going to be normal male attitudes for the rest of my life - actually I'm lucky now I've got to 40, it's tailed off thankfully. I can count on the fingers of two hands how many men have approached me 'respectfully'. I got far more than that every time I walked a mile down the road on my own - and no, I never wore inappropriate clothing, that is an excuse that men like to tell themselves for their shitty attitudes.

Anyone in a relationship with a man 20 years or so older than them that they met in the street when he approached them with a sexual insult?

I mean, do they talk to their own daughters that way??

Well...one would hope not. But the amount of sexual offences against children by their own dad/grandad/uncle means I wouldn't put it past them given their view of what is appropriate is so truly fucked up.

anothernotherone spot on with your post, they are inadequate and they know it but can bear to admit it.

The tragedy is men think they are owed the attention of any woman or girl they deign to set their eyes on.

Anyone in a relationship with a man 20 years or so older than them that they met in the street when he approached them with a sexual insult?

Probably about as many as are in a relationship with a man who beeped their horn and shouted "Corrrrrrrrr! Awright darlin'?" as they drove past.

They're irresistible, you see.

dadshere is also on the Billie Eilish thread, telling everyone it’s normal for 17 year olds to be in relationships with older men or their friends dads. Lots of helpful contributions it seems.

Probably about as many as are in a relationship with a man who beeped their horn and shouted "Corrrrrrrrr! Awright darlin'?" as they drove past

And as many as are in relationships with those who nipped their arse or rubbed up against them on public transport.

I mean swoon

Kashali you what? Jail bait is a leery sleezy term creepy men use when talking about underage girls who in their minds are somehow guilty if tempting them into criminal activity. It makes the girl a trapped, passive object being use as bait, like a worm dangling on a fishing line, with no agency. It's not a term a girl should use about herself!

What's this courteous shit?

You're having a laff, right?

Right???

I travel by bus, usually at the same time as School Girls. These are Girls, who look like Girls, no makeup, hair in a pony, faily shapeless. But to watch the Men 25+ and sometimes 50+ leer at them and sometimes verbally abuse them is depressing. I had to threaten to report a gang of workmen, once to get them to shut up.

We need tougher laws around sexually explicit language towards minors. But also street harassment in general.

My DDs in their early 20's are sick of the leering etc by men my age (50+) even when with partners. This is just out shopping etc.

Approach someone when out of a night, in bars etc but not of a day when out with family.

Dadshere

^^

Oh thank the lord, a man, a man!

Swoon.

Now we can all sleep easy.

Swoon ideed JaquesHammer how do we all manage to resist their undoubted charms?

dadshere are you female? ...name causes some confusion but your comments do seem to refer to your experience as a female ...excuse the nosiness if not appropriate ..

*guilty of not guilty if - terrible typo!

Girls and young women have the right to be in public places without being physically disgusted by the leering of old men. Men need to understand that displaying their sexuality in this way is unpleasant and unappealing. I know it’s hard; you want to think you are a gorgeous young man. But you are not. So put it away and accept this is not for you now.

Hi ginandbearit No, I am a woman, amused that managedmis assumes I am not and than posts blatant misandry. I am not offended by you asking, but thank-you for the courtesy, sadly lacking by some of the posters on here.

I refuse to be courteous to people who defend the entitlement of men to approach, leer, sleaze, irritate, harass, touch, whistle or shout at girls and women just trying to go about their day and I couldn't give a toss what you think of me for that dadshere.

I was in a central London Marks & Spencer food hall at lunchtime today. It was mayhem, lots of office workers and tourists getting lunch. Around the sandwich area, it was everybody bumping into everybody, trying to reach around people. Because everyone was moving, one guy who was stood with his back to the fridges caught my eye because of his stillness. He was about 40, office attire, and was transfixed by a girl (American tourist, I heard her mum talk to her). She was in shorts, looked about 12. It was like he was in a trance.

I am beginning to think that the majority of men are attracted to very young girls. From my own experiences, the experiences of people I know, and from forums like this, and the Everyday Sexism project, they are everywhere and in every situation. It can't be the same couple of thousand men, there are hundreds of thousands of them, if not more. Opportunistic, predatory, repulsive and vile.

I shouldn't read threads like these. I don't have a high regard for men, reading this makes me dislike them even more.

Dadshere

So you're a woman pretending to be a man? Or are you not quite sure? Or just bored during the summer hols? Minecraft got too much for you?

I agree sarcelle, I really do