AIBU to think that this child should be allowed to compete as a girl? Transgender topic.

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www.bbc.co.uk/news/video_and_audio/headlines/48800075/transgender-skater-fighting-to-compete?ocid=socialflow_facebook&ns_mchannel=social&ns_campaign=bbcnews&ns_source=facebook&fbclid=IwAR3SHOZZproHs8lkaYi9tz5VcKPnE9xQRt7AR8m8rRPu5lPTJkp1m1808Os

It's an 11 year old (born male) ice skater. There's a little video where to me she looks female.

I daren't put this on the feminism board, but AIBU to think that in 20 years time we will look back in shame at how we have treated transgendered individuals?

I just put myself in those shoes for 5 hours. What on earth would I think? How much hate would I feel? How fucked up/strange/weird would I feel?

I have a very uneasy feeling in my soul about the vociferous opposition to transgenderism on MN currently. It doesn't sit comfortably with me.

I came across this story just now and it's typical of I suppose what the feminist MNers want transgender people to face. I.e. that they can't...

Should she compete as a girl? Or AIBU?

As for your argument that it's not a tiny minority - you cited one trans woman who is playing rugby in NZ out of a population in the world of 6,000,000,000,000.

As for your argument that it's not a tiny minority - you cited one trans woman who is playing rugby in NZ out of a population in the world of 6,000,000,000,000

That wasn’t me.

Well MN would have you believe that it's sinful to be transexual...

This is why I avoid this topic. It's depressing.

oh good heavens, what does living as female mean?

am I doing it right now? who can say?

Well MN would have you believe that it's sinful to be transexual...

That's a lie. A big fat lie.

In that case I'm going to object to every female over 5'6" running in the next Women's Marathon......

Do you think that everyone over 5'6" is not female then? Because that is the only thing you need to be to run in the women's marathon - a biological female.

Most people didn't 'believe' that people could be sexually attracted to the same sex. The pope who you revere, in fact, still doesn't believe in it.

🤣

Nor does Stonewall, Mermaids, GLAAD or Pride.

Ffs. Wake Uppppp!!!

Well MN would have you believe that it's sinful to be transexual...

Sinful? That's such a twittish thing to say! Who has ever said that?

It's a medical condition.

Datun - I fear you are going to spontaneously combust. I have no idea what point you're trying to make.

It's not unreasonable to say that MN is vehemently against any rights for trans females

It is totally unreasonable to say that.

Transwomen have all the human rights everyone else does.

It is not a human right for one group to take female sports away from females.

It's a medical condition.

If that's the case, why exclude them from joining in the sports they love as the person they are?

Thump. No one is going to spontaneously combust.

Your spot on

Here’s another example Thump - I’ve spoken about this before.

I was involved with the running of a discussion about the longer-lasting physical effects of m/c. It was picked up on, and we were subject to abuse for excluding trans women.

Isn’t that a situation where it’s fucking ok to have a biological female who has had a m/c only caveat?

Stonewall deny homosexuality is sex based. It's gender based now.

Hence lesbians being coerced into including bepenised individuals in their dating pool.

Thump, given your advocacy for same-sex attraction, are you prepared to say here, publicly, that lesbianism is same sex attraction? Not same gender attraction?

That lesbians are only attracted to other, XX chromosomed people??

If that's the case, why exclude them from joining in the sports they love as the person they are?

Nobody wants to stop them from playing sport. What we are saying is that they cannot compete with the girls.

Why is this such a difficult concept to grasp?

Datun - I fear you are going to spontaneously combust. I have no idea what point you're trying to make.

I can understand that questions are difficult for you. I'm sorry. I ask questions.

If that's the case, why exclude them from joining in the sports they love as the person they are?

They’re not excluded. They can play as the “person they are” which is biologically male.

Any chance of an answer to this, Thump...?

How is that saying that they can't live as a female?

How about reading the rest of what i said.

@Fibbke

I've seen on this thread suggestions that trans-women should not be allowed to use female toilets, and that they should be sent to male prisons.

How about we send you to a male prison? You see yourself as female I'm presuming? Maybe we force you to use the johns rather than the ladies?

You want to go the the girl's ballet class? No - wrong sex!

You want to play with the girls? Nope.
You want to run against the girls because you fully believe you're a girl? No way - you've a dick - off with you to the boys there.

I am not the best debater

But honestly

Repeating the question but the other way around and saying ‘and’

Is a really shit technique

And im usually really polite...but mate

If that's the case, why exclude them from joining in the sports they love as the person they are?

Nobody wants to stop them from playing sport. What we are saying is that they cannot compete with the girls. Why is this such a difficult concept to grasp?

Times a million

You see yourself as female I'm presuming?

😂😂😂

You want to play with the girls? Nope.
You want to run against the girls because you fully believe you're a girl? No way - you've a dick - off with you to the boys there.

And it just devolves into being unhinged.