AIBU to think that this child should be allowed to compete as a girl? Transgender topic.

[Cassort]

www.bbc.co.uk/news/video_and_audio/headlines/48800075/transgender-skater-fighting-to-compete?ocid=socialflow_facebook&ns_mchannel=social&ns_campaign=bbcnews&ns_source=facebook&fbclid=IwAR3SHOZZproHs8lkaYi9tz5VcKPnE9xQRt7AR8m8rRPu5lPTJkp1m1808Os

It's an 11 year old (born male) ice skater. There's a little video where to me she looks female.

I daren't put this on the feminism board, but AIBU to think that in 20 years time we will look back in shame at how we have treated transgendered individuals?

I just put myself in those shoes for 5 hours. What on earth would I think? How much hate would I feel? How fucked up/strange/weird would I feel?

I have a very uneasy feeling in my soul about the vociferous opposition to transgenderism on MN currently. It doesn't sit comfortably with me.

I came across this story just now and it's typical of I suppose what the feminist MNers want transgender people to face. I.e. that they can't...

Should she compete as a girl? Or AIBU?

Next they'll be taking over the fruit aisle - dominating women's spaces.. Bastards.

Will you look at yourselves! You're a disgrace!

Iran doesn’t use electric shocks to deal with gay people. It uses gender reassignment. So I suggest you think about that.

The gay people pushed to change their gender www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-29832690

Pipe down cassort. Chill.

would it be THAT FUCKING AWFUL to allow them to 'be' women in a competition?
We could turn this question around: Would it be THAT FUCKING AWFUL to not allow them to 'be' women in a competition?

Transgender has nothing to do with biology though 🤔 sex and gender are not the same thing cassort

Ye - I hear they're queuing up now to have sex changes and compete against women. They've had to hire extra staff at the birth cert office...

Meanwhile! The PURE LUNACY OF IT ALL! You're all dressing your children in beige so that they don't know what fucking sex they are haha.

Madness. Pure and utter unadulterated madness.

There is no debate with you OP.
Seriously. You have shown that we are all wasting our time.

Why did you post here, in AIBU?

Why didn't you have the 'bollocks' to post in the feminist section?

I think we all know why!

@Cassort
It's clear you don't care about sport but many women and girls passionately do and work tirelessly.
Just because it's not taken as seriously as men's sport by wider society doesn't mean there aren't many women pro athletes and semi pro athletes.
This will put off more women entering sport as it will make something already tough even harder to compete in that will be awful for our future generations.

I'm the mother of a gay child, who has raised the possibility of being transgender.

I don't quite know what to say to this. I'm confused. (I guess she is too, at the moment!)

But we have talked about this intelligently, and respectfully. She can see where I'm coming from, when I talk about my concern for women's spaces, and women competing on an equal playing field (there's a reason why some sports are divided by male and female), and I can see her concerns when she talks about transgender being respected and identified as the gender they identify with.

It's a difficult time. I hope we shall all find the way.

Just as we did with the gay!

Such hateful bile being spilled by the OP here. Nothing like any of the posters who have outlined common sense issues with women's rights in a calm and logical manner (which OP hasn't addressed at all, just spat out insults).

I think we can see the agenda here. Clearly OP doesn't want to actually discuss the issues, just castigate women with the same age old misogyny that refuses to recognize they are allowed to have human needs of their own.

And no. I'm not particularly a feminist. Not at all actually.

But THIS is best discussed in that section.

I don't know why you feel so bloody threatened by a few - a handful - of biological anomalies!

Trans people are not anomalies, biological or otherwise.

Why don't you have a look in the mirror next time you accuse other people of being a disgrace?

I don't know why you feel so bloody threatened by a few - a handful - of biological anomalies!

‘Biological anomalies’? That’s the most transphobic thing I’ve ever read on MN. Now I know you’re on a wind up!

Cassort

I am loving your comparisons to various rights movements.

Mainly because its the exact opposite of what is going on.

Its your poor little victim transgender movement people that are shutting down discussion.

Its your TRAs that are doing the name calling (look at your own posts)

And then saying that its only whatever.

How many women have to miss out for you to give a shit?
How many girls have to loose college scholarships before your give a shit.
How many times does philip fucking bunce have to take a place away from a woman in the top 100 women's business list for it to matter.

@Cassort you joke but there's been a huge upswing in people transitioning. Look at the stats of the Tavistock centre. Many many more people are changing gender.

20 years ago homosexuals were given electric shock treatment to cure them of their 'notions of gayness'. Put that in your pipe, smoke it, and fucking think about it

Yes, and now children who don't fit into neat boxes of gender stereotypes are told they are the wrong sex, are given irreversible hormones as kids which render them infertile forever, have bilateral mastectomies and are castrated. They are told that there is something 'wrong' with them, that needs 'correcting'. Because they like things that aren't normally stereotypically associated with their sex.

Why don't you think about that. That is what we will look back in horror on in years to come.

Meanwhile! The PURE LUNACY OF IT ALL! You're all dressing your children in beige so that they don't know what fucking sex they are haha.

Clothes have nothing to do with sex.

Are you sexist as well as transphobic?

That’s it start with the name calling with nothing to back it up.

Why a disgrace? Because I want my daughter to have a fair chance at competing in sport if she chooses to?

That's called intersex, don't appropriate them.

In response to...

Yes, maybe she has a dick, but, sometimes nature goes a little haywire and you get anomalies.

I hear they're queuing up now to have sex changes and compete against women

There is no requirement to have surgery to compete as a woman.

If you’re not on a wind up, then it appears that you haven’t got a solid understanding of a lot of the issues within this debate, but hopefully you’re finding the thread educational.

biological anomalies

That's a horrible thing to say about trans people. Are you drunk?

Biology, penis, vagina, shite.
We all shit from the same holes.

You look at the little girl/boy in that video and she is as effeminate as you could be. I'm not in her head. I don't fucking know. I don't know what it must be like for her. It's beyond my realm of comprehension as I've never been confused about my sexuality in my entire life. BUT!!! If I did feel somehow 'wrong' as a male, I would LIKE to think that in 2019 (not the 1900s), that accommodation could be made for facilitate that anomaly.

Nobody likes 'different'. But 'different' exists. Get over it.

You're all having hypothetical arguments anyway. Nobody has come on here and said 'my dd is competing against a trans girl' or 'I came 40 in the London marathon, beaten only by 30 trans women'.

A load of shit stirring hatred. Fear of the unknown and a wagon to jump on.

Find a more worthy cause. Donate to Women's Aid or something.

Ye - I hear they're queuing up now to have sex changes and compete against women. They've had to hire extra staff at the birth cert office...

No need if self ID comes in. Just a filling in of a form and men will magically become women. Can't forsee any problems with that at all

You're all dressing your children in beige so that they don't know what fucking sex they are haha.

No, you don't have to shower little girls in butterflies and pink for them to know they are a girl. Pretty sure my daughter knows she is a female whether I dress her in beige or blue.