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Harry and Meghan-part 2

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BertrandRussell · 01/07/2019 07:45

Following on from this -it was just getting interesting. Someone posted about how Meghan called herself a feminist but hadn’t earned the title. I was interested to know how you earned the title- but the thread ended.

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CatherineOfAragonsPrayerBook · 04/07/2019 14:59

Being flashy isn't the same as being private.

Look, if they don't want all the hassle that comes with being high profile then......be ordinary and not high profile, aka there's no reason to continue being a royal heir apparent.

Personally I think H is the driving force behind it. Quite honestly M knows how to use publicity, her instagram was very well balanced and managed well.

H is the one harkening back to his mother's unfortunate experience with the press. Since being married, M has had unofficial photos released of her tableware. M is the one behind the their Insta account.

(I'm relying on my memory as can't verify right now) But Thomas M said in one News Paper interview that after he staged the pictures it was H who told him that 'It was a very stupid thing to do'. This from a man you've never met in person.

I get the feeling that H is the one who is most uneasy about the press. I doubt that had TM come on GMTV and said nothing but complimentary things about his daughter (which he did) had she been marrying anyone else, it would not have been an issue. That interview was pretty innocuous. For him to be cut off for it seemed drastic at the time. The man said nothing terrible. But I feel personally (just my opinion) that M was more afraid of her father and family messing up her relationship so went along with the hard stance.

It's not like H moved heaven and earth or used his vast funds to hire a private plane to go and meet TM was it?

For me this has unveiled another side of H. Perhaps that's why M is getting so much extra heat (although I feel she is still culpable for some) people still want to remember H as a sweet boy struggling with his mother's death. Not a man capable of being a little bit...mean? Spoilt?

bubblesforlife · 04/07/2019 15:09

Meghan didn't choose to give up her career. She fell in love with a prince. If she wanted that relationship she is compelled to follow royal protocol. But she does it with her own twist, which I really admire. I think to be a royal you need to be strong, otherwise, you are trampled on by all the fuddy duddys that work for the royal family telling them what to do.

I say, fair play to her. She is successful, established, has her own money, and if she wants to "show off" expensive stuff (like she even needs t show off!!), FINE she earned it herself. She doesn't need Harry's wealth! If she rocked up wearing Primark head to toe people would have something to say about that, there is no win here for her.

She's a Duchess now.... fair play hun, keep doing what you're doing!!!

CatherineOfAragonsPrayerBook · 04/07/2019 15:21

If she wore Primark she'd be applauded, the high street needs all the support and good press it can get.

Anytime she's worn local or high street she's received positive press. For that one thing at least.

ItIsWhatItIsInnit · 04/07/2019 15:23

If she wore Primark she'd be applauded, the high street needs all the support and good press it can get.

No she wouldn't, she'd be slated for supporting fast fashion and there would be a double page spread in Daily Mail about child garment workers in Bangladesh along with pictures of clothes in landfill.

CatherineOfAragonsPrayerBook · 04/07/2019 15:28

She doesn't need Harry's wealth!

Oh yes she does, unless you think her stint in suits would allow her to sustain the lifestyle she has now. She wasn't the highest paid actress on the show and would have needed to keep managing her image so as to procure more higher paid roles. She was reputedly being scouted for a James Bond role.

I think to be a royal you need to be strong, otherwise, you are trampled on by all the fuddy duddys that work for the royal family telling them what to do.

Which 'fuddy duddys'? The staff? This isnt the Diana era, their publicity was managed by KP specifically so they wouldn't be told what to do and could manage what comes out the palace. I sincerely doubt W&H are intimidated by their staff although they would have to follow protocol.

CatherineOfAragonsPrayerBook · 04/07/2019 15:31

No she wouldn't, she'd be slated for supporting fast fashion and there would be a double page spread in Daily Mail about child garment workers in Bangladesh along with pictures of clothes in landfill

I'll concede possibly. But they have only said good things thus far about her previous HS choices, wearing MS for example.

LaurieMarlow · 04/07/2019 15:41

I think the Middleton thing was installing some kind of accommodation for security staff because William was staying there so much.

I’m not a massive fan of Wills, but I think this was fair enough. It’s not unreasonable to try to secure his safety in his girlfriends house. It’s not like it was new carpets for Carole.

LaurieMarlow · 04/07/2019 15:44

She absolutely wouldn’t be applauded for wearing primark, how silly.

However she should probably buy a few dresses from Reiss ala Kate.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 04/07/2019 15:49

But she does (protocol) with her own twist, which I really admire

I completely get this, but surely the point is that it doesn't matter what we admire; it's what the RF and their advisers admire that counts, and they clearly don't appreciate being challenged by anyone or anything

I was no slavish Diana-lover, but there's no doubt the general public admired her massively - and yet even she was spat out because of the challenge she presented

All this is why I honestly don't think it's about Meghan's gifts or perceived faults in themselves ... it's about whether they suit the demands of this particular family, and that's something only time will tell

IWannaSeeHowItEnds · 04/07/2019 15:54

I disagree that she didn't choose to give up her career. She didn't have to date a Prince. And if she really wanted to, they could give up the royal lifestyle and live as private citizens and then Meghan could continue to act. But she prefers this option instead.
No judgement from me on that btw - given the chance I'd choose Princess over actress too.

LaurieMarlow · 04/07/2019 16:01

I don’t see any evidence that the Royal Family have a problem with her.

Even while the public pull her to shreds.

BertrandRussell · 04/07/2019 17:13

Anyone know who the two women at Wimbledon with her are?

(Back to gossip....)

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BertrandRussell · 04/07/2019 17:15

“I don’t see any evidence that the Royal Family have a problem with her.“
Me neither, by the way. Whenever she’s with Her Maj they look at ease with her. And Her Maj can be frosty, if she wants to be.

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BertrandRussell · 04/07/2019 17:16

*with each other

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Puzzledandpissedoff · 04/07/2019 17:35

I don’t see any evidence that the Royal Family have a problem with her

Neither do I, Laurie - but remembering how ruthless they can be should perceptions move against them, that's why I said "only time will tell"

BTW, thanks for the mention about possible spending on William's security at the Middletons' home; I'd wondered about that myself, though I can't find anything online. I did find a story about him giving them the deposit for their new place, but since that came from US Weekly - who regularly report the Queen's imminent abdication and/or divorce - it's perhaps not terribly reliable

BertrandRussell · 04/07/2019 18:34

Was she being attention seeking or demanding privacy by going to Wimbledon, by the way?
Maybe she should have taken the baby?

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IABUQueen · 04/07/2019 18:52

Can we gossip about Harry? And put a magnifying glass around what he wears and how he conducts himself and any social mishaps he has instead ??

Gossiping about the new girl in block is very high school and is fertile ground for misogyny. Thanx

BertrandRussell · 04/07/2019 19:02

I just want to know who she went to Wimbledon with!

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nelsonmuntzslingshot · 04/07/2019 19:04

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derxa · 04/07/2019 19:06

www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-7214133/Duchess-Sussex-makes-surprise-appearance-Wimbledon-cheer-pal-Serena.html
Here's a link from the hated DM Don't read the comments or you'll spontaneously combust Grin

JaimeBronde · 04/07/2019 19:22

Kate had trees in Westminister Abbey at her wedding (looked lovely) & as far as I'm aware nobody said anything derogatory about that?
If people did moan then they're sad fuckwits who haven't got a life.
Most couples have their church decorated for their wedding with flowers and/or foliage, trees, ribbons, candles etc. People aren't up themselves for wanting a nice looking & smelling church for everyone to take pleasure in.

The French paparazzi were disgusting in their hounding of the Cambridges during that time in France.
Very long distance camera lenses were used to spy on a private holiday/occasion.
If Kate & William want to do naked cartwheels in the private grounds of a private villa miles from anywhere, then they should be allowed to.
They were on their own time & not working.

spaniorita · 05/07/2019 18:14

Wow I think she looked great at Wimbledon.

beanaseireann · 05/07/2019 20:37

Some cryptic message by Jessica Mulrooney ( Meghan's "bestie" ) has now been deleted - "Don't take criticism from someone you wouldn't go to for advice."
What's that about ?
I've never met the woman but she irrationally annoys me.

IABUQueen · 05/07/2019 20:58

I don’t care if she “looked” great or not. I think it’s fun that we have a “princess” into
Sports, I think it’s amazing that said princess has a best friend who is black which I’m hoping she made to be the god mother of her child because that would mean future kind George will have a cousin who has strong views about diversity and against racism.. which is bright for the future of the country.

I think it’s lovely that she has friends that seem true to themselves and not all fake and dolled up. And lovely to see her take pride in her friends from before marriage and not suddenly become a snob because she married a royal.

I think Serena Williams gave great advice about how to not impose parenting “advice” on new parents at the early stages because it could be really pressuring.

I think Meghan is being really strong and inspirational in the face of all the unnecessary scrutiny and I love how she is being herself and not a people pleaser. Doing her thing and enjoying what she always enjoyed instead of trying to mould into an ideal princess of our expectation.

I hope we can appreciate things deeper than appearances. Because women are deeper than the clothes they were and make up they put, u know? Just like how we focus on Harry’s personality more than his hairstyle and ties.

The magnifying glass is on the wrong thing IMO.

You go Meghan.

I’m not a royalist but all this wrong type of attention is making me see potential in propagating my agenda through the royal family Wink. And anti-misogynistic agenda.

Meghan gave me permission since she claimed she is a feminist I’m sure me hijacking her public image just for that wouldn’t bother her :D.

laurG · 05/07/2019 22:52

I find it difficult to accept she is a feminist when she was a ‘brief case girl’ on deal or no deal.