Harry and Meghan-part 2

[BertrandRussell]

Following on from this -it was just getting interesting. Someone posted about how Meghan called herself a feminist but hadn’t earned the title. I was interested to know how you earned the title- but the thread ended.

In regards to the Queen being cold towards her children, I think this would mostly have been because it was also the way she was brought up.
It would have been an incredibly hard chain to break during that era and in a family that still bow and curtsey to each other.

How would we know anyway? Apparently queen Victoria wasn’t the dour grumpy face we see in photos - she was sparky and liked a good laugh (but wasn’t a great mother).

I thought the queen’s father was supposed to have had a very loving relationship with his children?

Incidentally- I know plenty of boarding school parents both on here and in real life who insist that they have an incredibly close loving relationship with their children. At the time the Queen’s children were young, it would have been unheard of for boys from that social class not to go away to school. Or for a wife not to accompany her husband on a posting abroad, leaving children at home. I don’t think it says anything about the Queen, more the social mores of the time. And I will put money on the little Cambridges being packed off at 8, 11 or 13...

Often the daily mail is picked out as the paper with subsequent comments btl being the only ones anti mm. Not true. When the telegraph allows comments, they are equally as negative and fed up with mm and ph. As are the comments in the daily express. In fact all newspapers that allow comments on articles about mm, the comment are nearly all negative.
Nothing will change.
She doesn't care. The more the press moan about all the pda's while supposedly working, the more she clings on to him.
She claims to never read the press. Yet she hires expensive pr to get the public to like her.
I think she is extraordinarily fake and this is why she will never be popular.

“I think she is extraordinarily fake and this is why she will never be popular.”
Can you explain why you think that?

Not sure how you earn the title of being a feminist

But she had had a successful career, done a fair amount of charity work, not relied on her family to support her and not wasted her education she has made a life and career for herself

She had spoken out her views of feminism and inequality

I would say she is a better role model than others of have married into the family

Someone mentioned that she can’t be a feminist because she gave up her career, and left her family and country in order to marry into wealth and power.

I’m not sure that logic is sound though. Does that mean I’m order to be a “proper” feminist, you cannot choose to marry? In MM’s circumstances, unless he renounced his royal status and moved to the US (imagine the hate she would have got then!) it would have been impossible for her to continue a career as an actress and not move to the U.K.

The feminist bags a prince and ensures she'll never have to work again. Not sure how the fact she supported herself makes much difference, she wouldn't have had a choice.

I doubt Megan would have struggled finding a wealthy man to marry she lived in LA it’s full or rich men with their young trophy wives

But she choose to have a career and was successful

Whilst I stand by my comments above about being married and being a feminist as not being mutually exclusive, I always find myself feeling a bit baffled when MM is described as having had this super successful career and abundant independent wealth before she married Harry.

It’s complete hyperbole.

The reality is that she was a struggling actress for years before landing a role on a very modestly successful tv series which would have given her a regular but, by Hollywood standards, not hugely substantial income per annum.

Her current lavish spending is suggestive of someone who is not accustomed to such money. I think that’s why it rubs people up the wrong way as the Queen famously has a strong frugal streak in her and disapproves of vulgar symbols of wealth.

I think it's highly likely that she has a certain degree of anxiety as a result of her upbringing (and we've all seen that in action...) and that she affects a level of masking and distance in order to protect herself. I don't get the sense that she's an unpleasant person, I get the sense that she's an anxious person trying to be "good" as part of answering the internal voice from childhood "be good, be good, just be good and they'll like you, be good". The childhood rejection will likely have created or fostered an affinity for the underdog, which we see in her charity work.

Tldr, give the woman a break, have you SEEN her family?!

Sorry, I've never seen such bollocks.

Meghan is not a "real" feminist because she chose to move country and marry the man she loved? Can you IMAGINE the vile hate she would have got if she'd refused to move to England and made Harry move to the US, or refused to change her surname!

All the criticism seems to be people blindly parroting back whatever Daily Mail said that morning. "She doesn't follow protocol" because she shut a car door/didn't wear tights. She's "too flashy and extravagant", and then when she chose to have a private birth during the media shitstorm about her, apparently it was "unfair" for the public not to see the baby. Yet if she'd stood on the steps posing like Kate, she would have been called a show-off and attention seeker.

The woman literally cannot do anything right in the public's eyes and I can only think of one reason for this......racism.

Hahahahaha the Queen ha a strong frugal streak?

Yes, I'm always spotting her browsing the Primark sale in Stevenage

Everyone who dislikes Meghan - if she did the polar opposite thing to what you're criticising her for, you would still criticise her.

If she bought her clothes from the high street instead of designer/bespoke, someone would start a DM article about how she supports sweatshop workers.

It's a pisstake - she once said she liked avocado on toast and the next day there was a story in the papers about how avocado farms fuel crime and drugs in Mexico.

I think it’s more likely xenophobia (anti American) and snobbishness (the wrong type of American - B list actress) rather than racism.

The reality is that she was a struggling actress for years before landing a role on a very modestly successful tv series which would have given her a regular but, by Hollywood standards, not hugely substantial income per annum.

I don't have particularly strong feelings to MM either way, but this take always confuses me. Most actors trying to make it on screen would kill for her career - her role on Suits was at a level most will never reach. Over 100 episodes as a lead character on a network show.

She was worth several million at the time of her marriage - that certainly counts as independently wealthy to me.

Like her, don't like her, admire her fashion, hate her spending, whatever. But don't diminish her achievements in her field.

I don't have particularly strong feelings to MM either way, but this take always confuses me. Most actors trying to make it on screen would kill for her career - her role on Suits was at a level most will never reach. Over 100 episodes as a lead character on a network show.

I know right? I'm always baffled by the attempts to downplay her acting career. She did well for herself. A featured role on a blockbuster show. It's interesting how invested people are in undermining that.

Queen famously has a strong frugal streak in her and disapproves of vulgar symbols of wealth.

Choked laughing at this.

Seriously, people are deluded.

“Queen famously has a strong frugal streak in her and disapproves of vulgar symbols of wealth.”

I know the gold piano is gilt wood and an antique but anyone who truly hated vulgar displays of wealth would not have sat in front of it while broadcasting to the nation.

How the hell do people on here know how much meghan spends??

Frugality is relative. The Queen is famously a fan of recycling outfits and Buck palace is in dire need of renovation but is carefully budgeted for.

The piano is an heirloom, gifted to Queen Vic. The Queen didn’t go out and buy it herself.