Harry and Meghan-part 2

[BertrandRussell]

Following on from this -it was just getting interesting. Someone posted about how Meghan called herself a feminist but hadn’t earned the title. I was interested to know how you earned the title- but the thread ended.

I think Meghan is at a disadvantage having had a short courtship and engagement- like Diana.
If someone described to me the rules of the British royal family I'd not believe them or think I could do my own thing within reason.
Kate has had years of learning what to do and say.
Meghan hasn't and combined with the Palace politics is in for a rough ride. Hopefully Harry will continue to support her.

@BertrandRussell you're right. It's the wrong term and the entire royal family are guilty of living an elite lifestyle funded by the taxpayer.

I think what I was trying to convey was that I would love that lifestyle and would probably not be too great at hiding it if I suddenly found myself in such a fortunate position. I wouldn't have had the "don't let the plebs let you see you enjoying your wealth" upbringing and training.

And to those that pointed out that it is Harry's house too, and therefore his spending as well, I agree.

Her blog was cringe making, and their Instagram account is tone deaf

So her social media presence isn’t to your taste, hardly the crime of the century. What’s ‘tone deaf’ about the IG?

“Her blog was cringe making, and their Instagram account is tone deaf“
I never saw her blog. Why is their Instagram tone deaf?

I wasn’t old enough around Diana’s time but I can only compare and see that if us as a society were ready to pounce at anything a woman who joins the royal family does, like we are doing with Meghan, then I can only assume that we enabled the royal family in dismissing her suffering and gave them more of a reason to make her feel like less than... and contributed directly to her mental health.

While Charles was freely roaming around screwing women and his mama tells his wife she is to remain quiet and be grateful for even being accepted in the family for the trash she is..

We contributed to misogyny in the royal family if that’s how we judge women.. and so have no right to judge those vulnerable women for not standing up for feminism. The cheek we have !

Actors and entertainers in general are overpaid for what they do. This, together with the sycophantic entourage gives them an inflated sense of their own importance.

It's easy to be generous and charitable when you have loads. Think The Real Housewives of Windsor, or anywhere else you care to mention.

Meghan comes across as REALLY anxious - all the touching and fussing over Harry seems like deflection, as if she doesn't really know what to do with her hands. I'm sure she'll be less anxious as time goes on, and being under the constant scrutiny of the media and interested-general-public-at-large must be shitful if you're prone to anxiety.

I feel a bit sorry for anyone 'famous' - regardless of 'the money'. To have your entire life pulled to bits and played out in the glare of publicity isn't my idea of fun - and yet so many people seem to lust after it.

Meghan strikes me as your standard Hollywood actress - she's a bit divorced from reality (a couple of interviews she and Harry gave, pre-marriage, made me think of Nicole Kidman and actresses of her ilk and the utter drivel they talk in interviews - mouths moving, but nothing interesting coming out). There doesn't seem to be any real substance behind the claims of Meghan being this driven, independent feminist icon..... but, of course, she's not going to be now she's a member of the royals, is she? She'll just have to be the same old boring head-on-a-stick that all the others are, parroting stuff about their patronage of charities and smiling constantly for fear of being compared to that photo of Diana sitting outside the Taj Mahal..... yawn.

Who gets to decide who can consider themselves a feminist or not? I'm a feminist, I believe in equal treatment and equal pay for doing the same job as men. Most importantly I believe in women having the FREEDOM to choose the best situation for themselves and their families, whether they wish to work, stay at home and raise children or even just stay at home.

I actually don't care for MM, I just can't warm to her but declaring she can't be a feminist because of choices she made - and had the complete freedom to make is bullshit.

Hmm. It’s funny how some of the posts here bashing Meghan have been posted almost word for word on multiple other forums today, including a sexually explicit forum for gay men.

Samantha Markle ?

Mrs Maisel What very odd behaviour.

Hmmn. Very odd. Two very odd posts.

Anyway, I think we can relax and stop worrying about Meghan's safety, due to her extensive security team, and her public image, due to her extensive pr team.

There are many others in this world who do have real problems that I'd rather be concerned about.

Hahahahaha the Queen ha a strong frugal streak?

She does, she grew up during WWII when even the royals were rationed and had to make do and mend and make sure nothing was wasted. She reuses gift paper and tags.

And of course, she recycles her rubies.....

While Charles was freely roaming around screwing women and his mama tells his wife she is to remain quiet and be grateful for even being accepted in the family for the trash she is..

None of this actually happened. The Queen and Prince Philip both supported and sympathised with Diana and were appalled by Charles’ behaviour, disapproved and wanted him to return to Diana. The Duke of Edinburgh even wrote a letter to Diana regarding Charles’ affair which said he ‘I cannot imagine anyone in their right mind leaving you for Camilla. Such a prospect never even entered our heads.”

I don't understand the bitchy comments wrt her engagement ring. She is going to be wearing it for the rest of her life, so has every right to alter it so that it suits her taste. I also don't care about her expensive baby shower - she is no better or worse than any other royal when it comes to spending.

What I do dislike is that Harry and Meghan derive all their status (and a lot of money) from bring part of a royal family but want to completely hide their baby from public view. Would it really hurt to let people see him before the christening and then have a private ceremony? To me, you can't have it both ways - their job is literally promoting their family. If they want privacy, they need to fund their lives entirely themselves.

I'm not sure why everyone seems to love the queen. She is good at shutting up and greeting odious people, but anyone who's had a job in retail or a call centre has managed that on a lot less money! And since (on previous thread) Melania Trump was judged by the company she keeps, I'll see your Donald and raise you a Prince Phillip.

MM probably will face racism but I don't agree that all criticism of her on MN was racist. I think she's more likely to experience it from Harry's set than from ordinary people . Remember how snotty William's friends were about KM - jokes about Kate Middle-class and all that bitchiness about CM bring an air hostess. Can't imagine them being particularly welcoming to mm.

I think Meghan looks very nervous and I fear for her mental health

I think Meghan is at a disadvantage having had a short courtship and engagement- like Diana

This has been exactly my point all along. It's not even about "blaming" her, since knowing what the role entailed, if there is any blame going it should probably be Harry's

I've wondered about the often mentioned, pre-marriage "humanitarian work" though; in fact I've asked several times if anyone knows of much except the odd photo shoot, a letter and maybe a speech, but no-one's ever come back with anything of substance (though one poster mentioned the work might have been "puffed up" a bit)

Perhaps something more has come to light since ... ?

I do agree about the engagement ring most women pick there own engagement ring, if she wanted to alter it that's her choice, a few of her friend's and family say she's very high maintenance, she has gone through a lot of staff since she married Harry, she changed her clothes 4 times in one day cost of the closes were £30,000 doesn't go down well with struggling families, Harry and Meghan wanted the renovations done at there house, £2.4m the tax payer will end up paying far more than that.

I agree with your post at 11.08 feelingsad19

I don't understand the bitchy comments wrt her engagement ring

Neither do I. As I understand it an engagement ring counts as a gift, and gifts pass to the recipient to do as they like with

That said, if it's true that Harry designed it, maybe changing it quite so soon could be thought a little hurtful to him?

“What I do dislike is that Harry and Meghan derive all their status (and a lot of money) from bring part of a royal family but want to completely hide their baby from public view.“

How often had we seen the little Cambridges by the time they were 6 weeks old?