Harry and Meghan-part 2

[BertrandRussell]

Following on from this -it was just getting interesting. Someone posted about how Meghan called herself a feminist but hadn’t earned the title. I was interested to know how you earned the title- but the thread ended.

I have never understood the negative press that Meghan receives.
As far as I can see, she fulfils the role very well.
She previously had a job as an actress, so was trying to earn a living. In my book, that is something to be admired. I have no idea whether she was a good actress, as I did not watch the specific program. However, being an actress is highly competitive so presumably she must have been OK, or they would very quickly had someone else. Similarly, I never understood why Carol Middleton was looked down on by ?? for once being a member of the cabin crew (air stewardess). Surely, earning your own living is something to be proud of.
Diana was also criticised initially for having new clothes all the time. As she explained to her biographer, you have to change several times, and need lots of clothes. I expect we will eventually see Meghan wearing something she has worn before, but probably over time. She has only been part of the RF for a short while.
As regards Frogmore Cottage, I understand the money has come from the Sovereign Grant, so not directly from taxpayers. Also, as a Grade II listed building, there will be certain rules regarding how it is refurbished. I understand that the house was due for refurbishment, and had not been touched for some time.
I also think it was very sensible NOT to want to pose on the hospital steps, just hours after giving birth. The comments I read about Kate – ‘Oh she still has her baby bump’, etc just HOURS after giving birth. Meghan was an older first time mother, and no one knows in advance how the birth will go. I expect she was very anxious. I think most mothers about to give birth are.

I absolutely cannot get over how the Queen, who has the run of 6, enormous, luxuriously fitted out palaces and a jewellery collection estimated to be worth 5 billion pounds is being described as frugal.

The kool aid has been well and truly drunk.

They have my bath! Well I have 2 (yes 2 as I am so profligate). I am clearly a trend setter as we have had ours for about 6 years.

They don't cost £5000 each.

Bertrand, we did see the babies when they were born and iirc one of them at the christening even though the services were private. I don't think MN should have to stand on the hospital steps if she does not want to but releasing some proper photos isn't a huge ask given that it matters to royalists, the people upon whom they depend for their rather privileged lifestyles.

Iwanna

I don’t think Meghan married Harry to b part of the royal family. She married him because he was right for her. His family is irrelevant (I hope) to that decision.

As a mother, she is entitled to make a decision that’s best for her son. What royals or royalists think is frankly secondary to her maternal instincts.

She is on maternity leave so technically is exempt from royal duties and what comes With it. So it’s not part of her job.

I think the public will warm to Meghan as the baby gets older and she's pictured with him.

That's exactly what happened with Kate. She used to get slated too in the press, before she became a mum

I don’t really get the “Meghan seems fake” comments. She’s an actress. For many years she was paid to pretend to be someone else. She’s now playing the most high profile role in the world and scrutinised within an inch of her life. Of course she’s going to have to fake it at times for her own sanity if nothing else!

Also, let’s not confuse being polished with being fake.

“Bertrand, we did see the babies when they were born and iirc one of them at the christening ”

So, bearing mind he hasn’t been christened yet, we’ve seen more of Archie (although I know people didn’t like the feet picture) than we did of the baby Cambridges. And Harry actually spoke to the Press about it, which William didn’t. And that lovely picture with Doria and Her Maj and DofE. So what’s the problem???

we did see the babies when they were born

And we saw Archie when he was born too.

I don’t get your point. We’ve seen him. He’s not in direct line to the throne so why would we expect to see him more?

I don’t recall seeing Lana Tindell (for example) ever.

I would have changed my engagement ring had I not loved it however my dh didn't specially design mine for me. Had he done so I may have thought twice. Harry commented that it was set in gold as that is her favourite, as she has now opted for white gold or platinum it just goes to show that he didn't know her tastes very well when they got engaged.

With regards to their baby and how much they would like to show him off to the public that is entirely their choice. They do so when it suits them and on their terms which seems to annoy people as the public purse funds them to a degree so people think that we have a right to see the baby.

Meghan does get her fair share of vitriol which is just plain unpleasant. I do not think she comes across as sincere in the press as a lot of what she talks about just comes across as waffle (to me). She is trying to carve a niche for herself in the royal family and it is unfair for her to be compared to Catherine all the time. They are different women, raised in different families, countries and culture.

And that lovely picture with Doria and Her Maj and DofE. So what’s the problem???

I quite like Meghan, although one of her best friends, Jessica Mulroney, irritates the crap of of me, and I can't help but think that somehow reflects badly on Meghan herself.

I thought she had every right not to want a photo op with Archie when they left the hospital, but instead we were treated to a high profile pic with the Queen herself. It was a lovely pic and I especially like that her mum was part of it, but if they had wanted to keep private and low key, then having that as the first pic, after such a build up of anticipation, was perhaps not the smartest move.

And yes, I assume Harry is also responsible for such decisions, not just Meghan,

“do not think she comes across as sincere in the press as a lot of what she talks about just comes across as waffle (to me)”
Like what? What has she said?

I think the problem was all the coyness about the birth and the (non) releasing of any information or proper pictures, wanting the christening to be wholly private, while at the same time spending lots of public money and deriving their whole status from being part of a royal family. Their raison d'etre is literally promotion of their family. I don't care if they want to live completely as private citizens but I don't believe they (and I do mean they and not just Meghan) can cherry pick.
I don't think the Tindalls are comparable since they are not titled and don't put themselves in the public eye in quite the same way.
Pmsl at the notion of needing maternity leave from the very taxing job of being a Princess of the UK.

What coyness? All they said was that they weren’t releasing details of where she was giving birth. Probably sensible.

I’m all over this every family/royal lottery idea. Count my £1.24 in.

“but if they had wanted to keep private and low key, then having that as the first pic, after such a build up of anticipation, was perhaps not the smartest move”

Wait. So we’ve got one poster saying we haven’t seen enough- even though we’ve seen more than we had sen of the Cambridge babies at this stage- and another poster saying that one of the pictures we have seen is too high profile. This is insane!

“I think the problem was all the coyness about the birth and the (non) releasing of any information or proper pictures,“
What do you mean proper information? Or proper pictures? We got a personal account from Harry!

Wait. So we’ve got one poster saying we haven’t seen enough- even though we’ve seen more than we had sen of the Cambridge babies at this stage- and another poster saying that one of the pictures we have seen is too high profile. This is insane!

Insane? Two posters with opposite opinions? How is that possible?

Unfortunate PR that the Sussex's exciting and popular Boastagram account today earnestly posts that we must protect the planet: this important news unfortunately coincided with news that the royal family's carbon emissions have doubled in the last few years.

I wonder if the emissions created by the Duchess's private trip on a private jet to New York and back to celebrate her baby shower were included in this estimate.

Oh well. I think this sanctimonious, virtue-signalling and on occasion, well-meaning couple are at least adding to the gaiety of the nation and selling newspapers.

Self-absorbed royals are nothing new. They aren't as bad as Princess Margaret and the Duke of Windsor.

Im just surprised to read that they actually have PR consultants as their PR is a disaster.

I think @AtmosClock nailed it

Of course people can have different opinions, but they can’t have different facts.

@SunnyInGrimsby
Exactly.