To feel the rage with “teacher tired” posts

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The season of teachers posting SM messages “no one knows tired like an end of term teacher/TA/dinner lady” is almost upon us.

I want to scream, what about the fuckers who work stupid hours all week and don’t get 6 weeks off in the summer, half term, two weeks Easter, two weeks at Christmas.

I wouldn’t be a teacher for all the tea in China but these people chose their career.

Grrr, actually don’t care if I’m BU.

@Passthecherrycoke
then what I’m confused about is when do YOU think your legally required, statutory protected, annual leave is taken?

what is there to be confused about.

I get paid for a set amount of hours, that are used in a set amount of days.

If I were a contracted IT specialist, and I accepted a 30 week contract. I would be work 30 weeks and not get paid for holiday. If the company offered to pay the fee over 52 weeks instead of thirty they still wouldn't be paying for the time that I didn't work there but for the work that I had done during the thirty weeks.

@passthecherrycoke

Have you found in the teachers’ pay and conditions anything about annual leave yet...

“BoneyBackJefferson

@Passthecherrycoke
then what I’m confused about is when do YOU think your legally required, statutory protected, annual leave is taken?

what is there to be confused about.

I get paid for a set amount of hours, that are used in a set amount of days.

If I were a contracted IT specialist, and I accepted a 30 week contract. I would be work 30 weeks and not get paid for holiday. If the company offered to pay the fee over 52 weeks instead of thirty they still wouldn't be paying for the time that I didn't work there but for the work that I had done during the thirty weeks.”

Yes so if you worked in a call centre and you were paid £5 an hour, they could say ok min wage is £5 an hour (made up obviously) - you give up your statutory Annual leave entitlement and we will pay you £5.10 per hour instead. You can agree to this legally.

This is very common in the gig economy, and that’s all that happening with teachers. But to say you’re not being paid holiday is disingenuous and is coming across as a bit of a sob story to be honest?

I’ll say it again- everyone in the U.K. has a legally mandated annual leave requirement. YOU KNOW THIS- I don’t know why you’re pretending you don’t?

I need the holidays to restore my patience levels.

You know when you are all touched out from your kids? Just before summer, it feels like that. With 150 kids a day.

Normally I’m very patient with the ‘Miss, he hit me!”, “Miss, I don’t have a pen!”, “Miss, I don’t get it!”, “Miss, I need the loo again!”, “Miss, I’m too hot!”, “Miss, I can’t be bothered!” and (my favourite), “Miss, what’s the point in school?”.

I look after them, teach them, listen to their stories, pretend I don’t know the story ‘they just made up’ is the plot of The Avengers, hug them when they are sad, sort out their dramas with kindness, give them equipment, wipe bird poo off them (really), feed them, reassure them, to be blunt, bloody love them.

But I need a break, and I’ll be a much better teacher for it.

And, no, I don’t think I’m more tired than you. Just tired.

I work FT in a demanding and stressful job and have done so for years. I do not doubt for a second that teachers get as knackered as I do if not more. I can't imagine what it must be like to be bombarded by demands from everywhere. I have full admiration for teachers.

Passthecherrycoke
This is very common in the gig economy, and that’s all that happening with teachers.

Its not, but if it helps to to believe that then OK.

But to say you’re not being paid holiday is disingenuous and is coming across as a bit of a sob story to be honest?

I, nor any other teacher on here is sobbing about it, nor complaining about it, just explaining it, to say anything else is just making shit up.

But once again if you are right you should be able to produce evidence to prove it, and no-one on any of these threads has ever been able to do so.

I, nor any other teacher on here is sobbing about it, nor complaining about it, just explaining it, to say anything else is just making shit up.

I like having the holidays. It's one of the perks of my job.
In a previous job flexitime arrangements and being able to conveniently not work for a long weekend was a perk.

Different jobs have different arrangements. Life would be so much easier if people stopped commenting on the contracts of jobs they don't do and passing judgement when they clearly don't know enough.

I'm a primary teacher. Teaching is so demanding physically, emotionally and mentally. Managing 30 children with completely different needs, directing adults to support them, making decisions constantly (every 3 seconds apparently). Looking after vulnerable children, SEN children, children who speak little or no English, those with emotional and physical needs. Performing all day, making things interesting, managing behaviour. Responsibility for a subject and leading other teachers to teach it how you would like, in an overcrowded timetable with insufficient resources. Planning is not a simple task even when some units of work are the same as last year's. It takes hours to prepare lessons. Sitting down at 4pm after speaking to parents to 150 plus books to mark, daily, in pink and green highlighters, success criteria,with personalised comments. Checking the children respond to your comments. Uploading data regularly for 30 children. Meetings about data. Meetings about children. Meetings with parents. Meetings with staff. Reports. Assessment grids. It's just exhausting and at this time of year even more so.
I've never done another professional job so I can't compare stress levels but teachers bloody well deserve their holidays. And a nice bottle of wine at the end of term.

@BoneyBackJefferson it seems quite clear with a quick google?
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Seriously, am I missing something or do you think your employer is breaking the law?

That’s for supply teachers.

But there is a whole page of returns saying the same thing. Are you saying you believe you don’t get your legal entitlement to statutory annual leave? I feel like I’m talking to a wall. You must KNOW Your employer complied with the law, surely? Are you suggesting they don’t?

If the advertised salary for a teacher is 20k pro-rata and you work for 9 months of the year then £1667 a month works out at 15k a year. Do teachers get paid annual leave of around 20-25 days like other jobs? If so is that added on to your salary?

Are you saying you believe you don’t get your legal entitlement to statutory annual leave?

All that is said is that it happens in the holidays. The length and timings are unspecified. It is not accrued throughout the year so you cannot tack it onto maternity leave.

Basically, teachers have been working term time only for far longer than rules about annual leave have been in existence and so it has just been agreed that it happens. That’s it.

So it’s paid, and you “take it” in the school holidays then? I think that’s all anyone is asking, literally no idea why the smoke and mirrors, it’s no big deal.
It’s disingenuous to pretend your not paid for holidays though isn’t it?

@Passthecherrycoke

Its good that you are looking, but you have found supply teachers.
Next will be Scottish teachers contracts.

The LEAs are not breaking the law and the information that you need to look for is in the burgundy book.

Its is admittedly a while since I checked but I couldn't find anything in there.

But if you really feel the need to prove me wrong, and as with my pupils/students, I support that wholeheartedly but come back with proof.

No hold on- YOU prove that your LEA are breaking the law, which is what you’re alleging. I am not a teacher, i dont have a book.

I am ASKING YOU why many teachers believe they are paid statutory annual leave yet you believe you are NOT.

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Why do you believe you contract needs to say something to over write statutory law? You do realise when if your contract said “no annual leave for teachers ever” it would not be a legally enforceable contract, don’t you?

Can anyone see holiday pay ? This is the 2000 terms and conditions

Passthecherrycoke

I'm not saying that the LEA are breaking the law.

You are.

I am asking for for proof that teachers are paid for holidays. If it is as so simple as you believe it should be written down somewhere.

And I have never said that teachers don't get leave. I said that teachers don't get paid for it.

@Passthecherrycoke
I am not a teacher, i dont have a book.

Its all online.

@BoneyBackJefferson I don’t Understand why you just don’t tell us what you understand your holiday entitlement to be? Because you sound like you don’t know, which is utterly bizarre. Either you get stat leave or you don’t.

What amazes me is all the outrage from non teachers yet be honest and put your hand up and admit how many would take over the role.

But stat leave has to be paid. Don’t you understand that? Otherwise, it’s simply unpaid leave. That’s completely different to statutory leave

@Passthecherrycoke

Without being able to prove a single point that you have made you are saying that I don't understand my terms and conditions.

So here is the deal. find some evidence to prove your point and I will respond to you. Stating your opinion as fact is not proof and never has been, you have even contradicted yourself by saying that statutory laws cannot be overridden by contract law then giving evidence that it can.

But if you want to keep going around in circles feel free.

You’re bit making any sense. If there is nothing in your contract that’s fine- there is statutory law that covers it very clearly. So no need for all the faux confusion.

As was established 5 pages ago, your annual leave is paid to you and covers approximately 5 weeks of your school holidays..
Hope that helps