To feel the rage with “teacher tired” posts

[Rainbowsandglitterbullshit]

The season of teachers posting SM messages “no one knows tired like an end of term teacher/TA/dinner lady” is almost upon us.

I want to scream, what about the fuckers who work stupid hours all week and don’t get 6 weeks off in the summer, half term, two weeks Easter, two weeks at Christmas.

I wouldn’t be a teacher for all the tea in China but these people chose their career.

Grrr, actually don’t care if I’m BU.

Teachers are paid for 195 days-that’s how it works.

It can’t be the case that teachers aren’t allowed to take paid holiday in term time but also don’t get paid for school holidays

As I understand it, they are paid an amount to work XXX school days but this is paid equally over the full 12 months of the year.

I worked for a while in a secondary school. I have also had many other jobs over the years but I have never been so mentally worn out by any of the jobs I've had, as I was by the school.
I can't even put my finger on why it was so draining, it just was. But I do think an A&E doctor would probably be more tired, and that's really worrying as it means lives at stake.

@thetemptationofchocolate

Ever worked in a primary school? It is worse

I've heard that it is hanvic. Much more intense, or so I've been told.

Anyone who teaches EYFS or KS1 deserves a knighthood. I'll take my teens every day of the week!!

@ Belindas

I am an upper ks2 gal at heart but got yr 3 next year.

Article in the Times today about an outstanding school where teachers are staging a walkout because of running battles in corridors, knives in school and 'fight Thursday' ( I swear we have 'Fight Monday - Friday' at mine).

The management deny there is a problem.

This is one of the myriad reasons why many teachers are drained and exhausted. Arguably, many professions (or perhaps just the police?) sign up for this as part of their job but I am not convinced teachers do.

Piggywaspushed
Am I right in thinking that's the school that names a specific behaviour consultancy in their behaviour policy, say, where a prominent consultant has been trying to ban sanctions and isolation in state schools because his brand is so much more effective?

I don't think so , but it might be. That isn't mentioned in the article. It's an ex primary . now all through school, in Birmingham. Which I expect may be part of the problem.

Rainbowsandglitter - YABU and a GF.

‘All those holidays...’ err, when do you think end of term assessments get marked? When do you think the term objectives are planned? When do you think the educational visits get planned? What about the continuous professional development and research to make sure the lesson content is interesting, up to date and in line with the curriculum? During the “holidays”.
When do you think the books get marked, the lessons get planned, the displays of work get put up, the replies to parents get done, the progress reports get written, the seating plans get done? During the evenings and weekends.
Teachers, like many other professionals, work hard and shouldn’t be belittled just because you think someone might say they’re tired.

I started a thread about that just as you were posting, piggy!

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/secondary/3624896-Staff-strike-over-pupil-violence-at-outstanding-school-with-Pivotal-behaviour-policy

The policy is named in the article.

Just found their website lola. They don't mention him specifically, but it does look like they have indeed been Dixed.

I think teachers' starting salaries are a bit rubbish to be fair but they do go up quite quickly

Hahahahaha!

You have not one clue. It has been some time since teacher’s pay went up automatically. Lots of excellent teachers unable to get past M6. We are beholden to back of a fag packet statistics that tell us what are results should be and woe betide we don’t make them. M

ashmts just to give some context, Scottish teachers have taken an over 20% cut in their income since austerity came in (yeah, cause we caused that didn’t we?) and have this years been awarded a 13% pay increase over three years (ie 3% one year, 7 the next, and then 3) You can’t add increases together like that tbh. This is a very welcome increase but still leaves us quite far behind where we’d be if the pay freeze had never happened. A lot of employees are in this boat and I have sympathy for them all. I have no sympathy for the fuckers who caused it in the first place.

Teaching is a tiring job no doubt but so are many others. However, posting things on SM that suggest that no-one else understands how tired you can get unless you are a teacher is just competitive inflammatory bollocks that just makes then look like whingers tbh.

As others have pointed out there are plenty of other jobs that are at least as mentally and/or physcially exhausting as teaching without the nice summer holiday (paid or unpaid it is still time off and you won't be convincing me that those extended weeks in the south of france are spent pulling 60 hour weeks planning and marking as some have tried to do in the past).

No surprise there noble!

Pieceofpurplesky
teachers are paid for 30 days holiday. The rest is unpaid.

Still waiting to see proof of that.

Whilst I don't doubt that school staff are tired, I know carers on £64 per week that are on duty 24/7 but don't have a 6 week break very soon.

Scottish teachers (after recent pay award) begin on 26 thousand and end on 40 thousand. There they will almost all stay as opportunities for promoted posts are now few and far between.
There are no TLRs or extra remuneration other than being a head of faculty etc.

But as I said on a previous post hop, it is by no means just teachers who do this on SM!

Teaching is a tiring job no doubt but so are many others. However, posting things on SM that suggest that no-one else understands how tired you can get unless you are a teacher is just competitive inflammatory bollocks that just makes then look like whingers tbh.

Indeed. Though countless people have said on here that they have never actually seen a teacher post such a thing.

This whole thread is based on @Rainbowsandglitterbullshit saying they THINK these thread should might start being posted.

Sad to get so riled about something that hasn’t actually happened.

Whilst I don't doubt that school staff are tired, I know carers on £64 per week that are on duty 24/7 but don't have a 6 week break very soon
And? What is the actual point of posts like this? I think the pay for carers is pants. Why the assumption that thinking your own job is hard means you think everyone else’s is easy?
On my own fb, chocka with teachers, the only posts about the holidays (which have just started) are a couple saying something like “it’s wine o’clock” and one from a non teacher posing that one about drunk teachers everywhere. Never seen a friend post anything implying their job was the worst.

Teachers do a really hard, stressful, intense, tiring job and they most certainly do get very tired.
What is wrong with them saying they are tired on SM?

I remember saying I was very tired when I had twins. I was very tired. I am sure I was less tired than someone with triplets and more tired than someone with a singleton baby. I would still empathise with the mother of a singleton though and I hope a mother of triplets would empathise with me.

Why does it have to be a competition that only the person with the most ultimate tiring job is allowed to complain about being tired?

Anyone who is tired can complain about it. It doesn't matter if they are more or less tired than someone else. Just be kind and show empathy.

Sometimes I despair of how inconsiderate people are of others.

Whilst I don't doubt that school staff are tired, I know carers on £64 per week that are on duty 24/7

They can be tired too, you know. There’s not a limited pot of tiredness. No teacher anywhere would days there was!

I would only ever mentioned i worked hard or was tiredness in response to someone saying on earth of these things-:

Teachers only work part time
I only work 9-3
I just reuse lesson plans year after year
I am lazy
I just play in the sand
I have a gold plated pension
I should work in the real world
That ‘I pay your wages, you know!’