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To consider divorce over financial bullying

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TooFedUpWithThisBS · 24/06/2019 00:44

I'm basically feeling so fed up with my DH that I'm seriously considering divorce.

Since having our DD 6 years ago, I stayed at home as a SAHM and since then we had another DD who is nearly 4. I had a career and a permanent job in media before the kids, which together with saving every spare penny for deposit got us on the property ladder in London (more of that later). DH has been running his own business nearly ten years now, but at the time the first baby came along he was still very much only self employed and starting up.

The issue is, that my DH has been bullying me about finances ever since the babies. He lays it all on me..why don't you work, get a job, you're lazy, suggested I should get a job in Lidl to stack shelves etc... At the same time he is working very hard, doesn't want to deal with the kids at bedtime or bath time and doesn't do any of the other 'boring' parenting stuff like getting clothes ready, looking after them when ill etc..

Twice within this SAHM period I have gotten myself a part-time job to stop the constant criticism, and it has been really tough on the whole family and both times he eventually started asking me to quit the jobs as the money I was making wasn't worth the hassle for him. And by hassle I mean having to pick up the kids from school/nursery, cook, take a day off to look after a sick child and so on. I understand, he works hard and it's difficult for him to be on time with traffic and to deal with clients, staff and kids. Which is exactly why I stayed at home!

When our first child was a baby, I applied for a planning permission to extend our property. I did all the paperwork, found an architect and paid for all of it with my personal savings. Then when we finally got the permission to go ahead, we remortgaged our property and DH took out a personal loan to get the work done. He project managed this huge transformation of our property himself (as well as running his business simultaneously) whilst I took the kids and went to stay with my parents. He worked incredibly hard, and the value of our property increased considerably. He takes all the credit for it. Reminds me constantly how HE made the money, whist I was doing f* all. His exact words.

And it does't end there.. I recently started studying again to refresh my skills in preparation for getting back to work in my own field and maybe have a career again after such a long break and it's still no good. I apparently shouldn't be studying and messing around at Uni, but should be making money instead.

Who is BU here? I feel like I cannot win. I even had a home based on-line job for a while, but he convinced me to quit it, as it took all my evenings and the money once again was not worth it. (We are not wealthy but not scraping by either. We shop in Lidl, H&M, Sainsbury's Amazon..you get it. And he is not financially controlling. I can use his card whenever to buy whites needed)

He compares me to people choosing to live on benefits (as in I'm just like them and he's the provider), to other mums who have started business on their maternity leaves (I should have done the same) etc..etc.. HELP!!

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user87382294757 · 24/06/2019 14:42

OP As a PP says above about being the sole breadwinner

The simple truth is that he is probably under too much pressure (probably self imposed) and he has got into the habit of blaming you for his stress rather than finding a way to reduce it or deal with it.

This is just what mine does. Mine gets worse when they take on too much self employment. Not excusing it in any way but they then start blaming etc...

We talked about possibly doing something which others do with self employment which is if you are an employee it can work out better for tax...or use the married tax allowance, maybe could also help some way with paperwork or something? So they are less busy...anyway just might help him see the benefits, I am also trying to work on getting them to see it all as a team effort. It's not easy and I wish you well.

AryaStarkWolf · 24/06/2019 14:47

I don't know how you could stay with a man who is that nasty towards you tbh What a disrespectful way to talk to the mother of his children, I'd be out the door

user87382294757 · 24/06/2019 14:50

we remortgaged our property and DH took out a personal loan

Also is this the problem, causing the financial strain as well?

TooFedUpWithThisBS · 24/06/2019 15:41

@user87382294757 Maybe, but it's all paid off now, so in theory it should all be ok. We have reached all the goals we set out to do, but he maintains it has been his hard work that has enabled us to do this. He made the money. I'm just a passenger. His exact words again..

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user87382294757 · 24/06/2019 16:51

But you were looking after the DC while he did that. What do you say when he says this stuff?

HelenaDove · 24/06/2019 16:51

OP Buy a copy of this months Good Housekeeping.............leave it open at the article about coercive control and leave it on his desk/side of the bed.

What hes doing comes under this umbrella according to the things listed.

@formerbabe Yep this is another bloke who has twisted feminism and equality to suit his agenda

To the PPs who have asked if she will be happier if she goes back to work READ THE FUCKING THREAD.

coercive control can carry a prison sentence of up to five years.........................apparently up to 14 years in Scotland.

HelenaDove · 24/06/2019 16:54

And it IS coercive control because he bullies her into working then bullies her into stopping.

@user87382294757 I did say upthread what would OPs DH be like if she got ill. He would still be an arse. You are on PIP for a reason These men all follow the same script.

user87382294757 · 24/06/2019 17:28

So what do you suggest the OP does? I mean I sat down with my DH and we drew up a plan for finances- I did most of this really, we have separate bank accounts and I worked out we could use part of the PIP / ESa for food and he would pay the major bills. Maybe this would work but not if it is the coercive control I guess. That seemed to help us though and don't have that comment anymore

swingofthings · 24/06/2019 17:56

Did you discuss together you doing this masters or did you more or less decided to do it on your own? Did you really needed it to return to a reasonably paid job? How is the Masters being financed? Could it be that he was hoping you'd get back to work easing the financially pressure on him to support the family by the time your youngest started school and had to accept that it would be another two years at least until you do so?

Could it be that when you tell him how much you love studying he start wondering if you did it to delsy/a oid work to do something enjoyable a d he is starting to wonder if you're might come up with something else to delay yet again going back to work?

I suspect he is restentful of you doing something that brings you a lot of joy whilst he is stressed with work and worrying about money. If that's the case, as you state, you going back to work will probably resolve all if not most of the conflict.

HelenaDove · 24/06/2019 18:01

swingofthings OP was paying for everything at the start of the relationship. I suspect you would have "noticed" that if it was the other way round.

HelenaDove · 24/06/2019 18:03

So why didnt he step up with the childcare while she was doing the jobs she was working in The same jobs he then moaned about her having.

HelenaDove · 24/06/2019 18:06

Relationship counselling is NOT recommended when abuse is present.

@AnyFucker @ReanimatedSGB

swingofthings · 24/06/2019 18:13

OP was paying for everything at the start of the relationship
What has that got to do with the current situation? What matters is what is jointly agreed? If they discussed together OP doing a masters and her not going back to work until she finishes, then yes he is unreasonable to act unhappy about it. However if they agreed that she'd go back to work when the youngest started nursery or school and then unilaterally decided to do a Masters instead, I can understand him being frustrated and concerns that OP just doesn't want to return to working.

AyBeeCee10 · 24/06/2019 18:13

Op you sound like a very intelligent woman, I'm sure you can make it on your own if you leave him. What he is doing is so wrong and its abuse. My dh works in a very stressful job, I'm a sahm but he treats and respects me so well. This doesn't have to be your life.

theWarOnPeace · 24/06/2019 18:17

And he is not financially controlling.

He is, though. He doesn’t stop you from spending money, but then bullies you for being dependant on him. He blocks you from earning or better yourself via education etc, so yes, he IS financially controlling.

Sounds like a vile bully to me.

HelenaDove · 24/06/2019 18:18

SO WHY DIDNT HE STEP UP WITH CHILDCARE WHEN SHE DID WORK INSTEAD OF MOANING ABOUT HER WORKING.

you sound more and more like one of those enablers.

Dontforgetyourbrolly · 24/06/2019 18:19

My ex was / is like this
Even though we've been split up 18 months every now and then he rants at me putting me down saying I'm rubbish and should look for a job earning 3 times as much. This is usually when he's asked to pay for his child or do some child care. Your situation feels so familiar .Flowers

imnotcheryl · 25/06/2019 02:25

Why do people keep suggesting op returning to work will solve things? Do people really not read the fucking thread?

Nearlythere1 · 25/06/2019 02:35

OP write all this in a letter to him and take the kids away for a month and stay in the other property or with your parents. Let him see you mean it and get a taste of life without you.

TooFedUpWithThisBS · 25/06/2019 10:08

So, we had a chat last night and I told him I'm seriously considering divorce if this constant criticism won't stop. I said I've listened to it for six years and I'm not going to spend another year doing so. Also told him he's got everything now. A lovely family, a wife, two properties and a successful business. The only thing he would have without my contribution would be his business. He is being foolish not to acknowledge that.
He seemed to take it in, and was being very apologetic and even started to clear up after dinner (he does more when I'm upset with him). And I said this is not something he can just patch up by being nice for a while, as I know next time we are arguing about anything he will bring it up, and if he will he's literally pushing me away towards divorce.

So, let's see how things go from now on. Like I said we are apart a lot at the moment and I can really just get on with my life and show him how I could get by without him. And when I'm done with my masters I'll hopefully find a nice job again (not a dead-end one like my part-time jobs).
Thanks everyone for your advice!!

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HelenaDove · 25/06/2019 16:05

Thats great that you stood up for yourself OP And good that he seemed to take it in. Someone will always have to do the shelf stacking type jobs though and the people that DO do them deserve to be treated with respect They arent lesser human beings.

So he sounds like a bit of a snob as well. I hope he follows through for you OP

gandalf456 · 25/06/2019 16:10

Fingers crossed the penny has dropped x

user87382294757 · 25/06/2019 16:11

OP that's interesting because mine said to me "Are you thinking of divorcing me" one time after such an argument and I gave a stony stare and told him "Not if you're nice"

EKGEMS · 25/06/2019 17:36

I sincerely hope you follow through with what you said divorce in the next year if he keeps this shit up! I'd also ask him how fun would life be if he had your children 50-50 without a live in maid,nanny and verbal punching bag?

SavingSpaces2019 · 25/06/2019 17:37

told him he's got everything now. A lovely family, a wife, two properties and a successful business. The only thing he would have without my contribution would be his business
TBH i think that's why he married you.
The moment you were no longer 'providing' for him he turned on you.

Get rid of him.