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To consider divorce over financial bullying

127 replies

TooFedUpWithThisBS · 24/06/2019 00:44

I'm basically feeling so fed up with my DH that I'm seriously considering divorce.

Since having our DD 6 years ago, I stayed at home as a SAHM and since then we had another DD who is nearly 4. I had a career and a permanent job in media before the kids, which together with saving every spare penny for deposit got us on the property ladder in London (more of that later). DH has been running his own business nearly ten years now, but at the time the first baby came along he was still very much only self employed and starting up.

The issue is, that my DH has been bullying me about finances ever since the babies. He lays it all on me..why don't you work, get a job, you're lazy, suggested I should get a job in Lidl to stack shelves etc... At the same time he is working very hard, doesn't want to deal with the kids at bedtime or bath time and doesn't do any of the other 'boring' parenting stuff like getting clothes ready, looking after them when ill etc..

Twice within this SAHM period I have gotten myself a part-time job to stop the constant criticism, and it has been really tough on the whole family and both times he eventually started asking me to quit the jobs as the money I was making wasn't worth the hassle for him. And by hassle I mean having to pick up the kids from school/nursery, cook, take a day off to look after a sick child and so on. I understand, he works hard and it's difficult for him to be on time with traffic and to deal with clients, staff and kids. Which is exactly why I stayed at home!

When our first child was a baby, I applied for a planning permission to extend our property. I did all the paperwork, found an architect and paid for all of it with my personal savings. Then when we finally got the permission to go ahead, we remortgaged our property and DH took out a personal loan to get the work done. He project managed this huge transformation of our property himself (as well as running his business simultaneously) whilst I took the kids and went to stay with my parents. He worked incredibly hard, and the value of our property increased considerably. He takes all the credit for it. Reminds me constantly how HE made the money, whist I was doing f* all. His exact words.

And it does't end there.. I recently started studying again to refresh my skills in preparation for getting back to work in my own field and maybe have a career again after such a long break and it's still no good. I apparently shouldn't be studying and messing around at Uni, but should be making money instead.

Who is BU here? I feel like I cannot win. I even had a home based on-line job for a while, but he convinced me to quit it, as it took all my evenings and the money once again was not worth it. (We are not wealthy but not scraping by either. We shop in Lidl, H&M, Sainsbury's Amazon..you get it. And he is not financially controlling. I can use his card whenever to buy whites needed)

He compares me to people choosing to live on benefits (as in I'm just like them and he's the provider), to other mums who have started business on their maternity leaves (I should have done the same) etc..etc.. HELP!!

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SpitefulBreasts · 24/06/2019 01:40

Oh, sorry, updates I had missed, my slow typing is to blame! . My DH used to run a business and he employed about 95 people, if he was ever stressed about work it never came home. He never took his business problems out on me.
We remortgaged our house twice and at no time ever was it my fault for not working. He always saw and valued my contribution of being at home and keeping all the home stuff going as valuable as his

TooFedUpWithThisBS · 24/06/2019 01:41

@Isatis I know..I've been so angry over these comments so many times that I cannot even feel angry anymore. I have tried explaining him how he couldn't have grown his business the way he has if it wasn't for me at home doing all the home stuff. Sometimes he feels remorseful and apologizes and tells me how much he appreciates me (he has always been generous with money..I can go and buy what I need/want), but then when he's upset, the same old speech comes out again. A lot of resentment.

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TooFedUpWithThisBS · 24/06/2019 01:44

@SpitefulBreasts oh how nice! I wish DH was like that too.. His business is nowhere near that big either..

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Ellie56 · 24/06/2019 01:53

I'd be considering divorce too. He moans when you work and moans when you don't. And you're the main carer for his children! Or does he think they look after themselves? Nothing you ever do will be right so I would stop putting up with his shit and dump him. He sounds a right twat.

You deserve better OP. A lot better.

confusedat30 · 24/06/2019 01:55

He's bu just by the way he talks to you! I'd divorce him just for that. Since when is it ok for a h to say to his w that she has done f all while looking after their children ???

imnotcheryl · 24/06/2019 02:02

I don't see why your opportunities would be limited. At least it would be a start. I did the same when mine was very little. I found work, used childcare. Your house would either need to go up for sale or he would need to buy you out.

Living on my own, having independence and enjoying my child in those young years was much more enjoyable than being bullied.

AmICrazyorWhat2 · 24/06/2019 02:07

I'd repeat to him that you're currently refreshing your skills and taking care of the children and you don't want to hear any more moaning. Get yourself in the best possible position for your return to work, both your DD's settled in school (I'm assuming DD2 is starting in September) and then decide how you want to proceed.

As a PP said, your opportunities will be limited if you split now so focus on what you need to do to be in a better position. He sounds like a glass-half-full type of person to me and may make a fuss whatever you do! If he doesn't change, you might decide that you can't put up with it long-term, but don't make any hasty decisions. Flowers

SpitefulBreasts · 24/06/2019 02:12

@tooFedUpWithThisBS
Aw my husband is a good one, that's true but I've been in a marriage before (yes I've been married more than once) when I've been treated like you are now.i had the opportunity and means to leave you so I did.
Your future now really does depend on you. Can you cope with the amount of financial abuse and the degrading and demeaning of your role in your home, you know, the home you live in and look after HIS children in. It's up to you, whether you choose to live like this or not. If you can and have the means to do so, my advice would be to get out now. Whatever your choice is Flowers I wish you well

Hithere12 · 24/06/2019 02:28

He’s vile. Take him to the cleaners.

expat101 · 24/06/2019 02:41

My guess is being a small business (we are too) there is a fair bit of financial pressure happening and funds are not coming in as they should or as they are expected, so he is lashing out at you.

Have you undertaken a financial health check if anything does go majorly wrong with the business? How tied up are your/family assets in the business? Personal guarantees and the like?

I would start with that first. there may be more at risk than you think and why he is behaving terribly. However, can you head off to family for a few days ''break'' away? Give him time to chill and organise his own washing and meals for a while whilst juggling the business.

T00thandGumz · 24/06/2019 03:01

The second property is this to rent out ?
So you live in one property, rent one out ?
Do you have access to view all the bank accounts to show money coming in & money going out ?
Do you have a budget to renovate ?
If renting out, one or both of you will need to declare the income to taxman/HMRC

dragonway · 24/06/2019 03:46

This isn’t a healthy or respectful marriage. You’ve had work, twice, and had to give it up because that wasn’t good enough. Now because you aren’t painting walls that’s not good enough either? Sounds like he’s the one who isn’t good enough for you! You deserve better than dealing with this crap. How would you deal with splitting? Sounds like you have a huge amount of shared property assets? Can you mentally make a plan to split? You’d get every other weekend to yourself and he’d have to step up. You could then spend that time on studying and getting your career back on track. If he’s got no respect for you then what’s the point? Being compared to somebody else’s wife would be it for me. Your husband sounds like an idiot to me.

formerbabe · 24/06/2019 05:18

He wants a 1950s housewife who also works full time. He's a cunt.

Waves at @HelenaDove Smile

ComeAndDance · 24/06/2019 05:47

He is a full on mysogynist and not even a good one at that. He not only expects you to do it all in the house and be at his beck and call BUT he is ALSO expecting you to bring money the same he does.
Basically he wants his cake and eat it. A wife at home so he has very little to do as a husband and father but also a partner that earns a lot of money because equality bla-bla-bla.

He absolutely does not realise how much work you are doing (or doesn’t want to....) and has no respect for you and your input.
And yes in some ways it IS ABUSE, more emotional maybe than financial (in that he doesn’t withhold money from you if I gather well).

The way I would react to that depends on how much you think he can change and how much respect/love you still have for him.
If you want to try and save things, I would leave him responsible of the dcs for a few months (I dint know, maybe make yourself totally unavailable due to Uni and work?) and remind him that you used to do all that etc... so he can actually realise what your input is. That would only work IF he has no clue at all and needs a big wake up call. I personally don’t think it’s the case. I suspect he knows but uses you not working as a stick to beat you with.

If he is actually abusive, then I would prepare myself to leave.
Ensure that you have some savings at YOUR name. Finish your course and find a job.
Talk to a lawyer and plan your life knowing he will give you little. He is self employed so can manage to pay nothing in CM (by giving himself the minimum wage if that whilst pocketing dividends). I also suspect he will have little to do with the dcs as they will ‘interfere’ with his all important work (I doubt he will have them during the week for example).
So plan your life around that and leave as soon as the circumstances are right.

ComeAndDance · 24/06/2019 05:52

So, he's not a complete idiot. Just tired after a days' work

Oh yes poor him. He is tired!
OP I have ME/CFS, I have a VERY good idea of what being extremely tired means, day in and day out. I would never behave in that way. It doesn’t make me abusive towards H. That’s just an excuse he is giving you so he feels he can be allowed to be an abusive dick.

rainbowbash · 24/06/2019 06:04

you cannot change him and you know it.

only you can change things for you. I would get back to work Asap. I assume the 6 yo is at school and the 4 yo is at nursery but you would get 30h free childcare. no way I would be a sahm in these circumstances.

Cambionome · 24/06/2019 06:24

Get a job as soon as you can. Ignore any comments from him asking you to stop again. Put yourself in as strong a financial position as possible. This will help you when you leave him, which you will have to do sooner or later because he is a cunt.

hibbledibble · 24/06/2019 06:43

Who made the decision for you to not work after having children?

Its a big decision, which has an effect on everyone in the family. In London, it is fairly rare in my experience, as most families require two incomes, and people are fairly career driven.

If you have unilaterally made this decision, I can understand his dissatisfaction.

RLOU30 · 24/06/2019 06:50

He is a CUNT
I've never been so angry reading something on Mumsnet before.
Leave him, take what is RIGHTFULLY yours and the kids and enjoy your best life. Please.

RLOU30 · 24/06/2019 06:54

If you have unilaterally made this decision, I can understand his dissatisfaction

Oh really, can you!
Can you understand that when the OP does work he bullies her into stopping? Do you understand that she can't do right from wrong that she is planning every decision around having zero help with childcare for her two young children?
What an absolute joke. Dissatisfied my foot 🦶 !!!!

Dontcarewhatimdoing · 24/06/2019 06:59

It sounds like he will find a way to put you down whatever you do. That is no way to live.

Beechview · 24/06/2019 07:11

You could be that 1950’s perfect housewife and have a well paying job and he’d still find fault.
He will never change. This is him.

Pearlfish · 24/06/2019 07:15

He sounds not only unpleasant but also stupid. Can he really not link the fact that he's asked you to stop doing previous part time jobs with the fact that, therefore, you must be spending your time doing something?! Find a great job and leave him, OP.

teddywantscake · 24/06/2019 07:28

He sounds incredibly thick in all honesty.

I don't mean to sound harsh op because I really do feel for you but would you be happy with one of your DDs being treated like this? What would you say to her if she was in your position?

Something needs to change because your dc will pick up on his awful attitude and may start to think that treating your spouse like that is part of a normal happy relationship, which as you know, it isn't.

k1233 · 24/06/2019 07:46

Stop letting him get away with his version of reality. Next time he says the extension was all him, tell him none if it would have happened without you and your money! Be factual.

When he brings up not working tell him you can't win. You've taken multiple jobs that he has asked you to quit. You can't take it anymore. Either you work or you don't work. He cannot keep changing his mind. Personally, you want to work, so when you get a job this time he will need to make it work. Your independence is just as important as the money.