To report parents for not registering the birth of a child

[Anon6356237]

Should I stay out of it or report? I'm concerned the child could fly under the radar if there are any concerns if they are not 'in the system'. Who would I report to?

There are plenty of really thick people in the UK.

All on this thread, I'd hope ...

Itssosunny he is a clear FMOTL.

As it says if the birth (or berth as he puts it coming back to whole maritime issue they are obsessed with) the parental responsibility is not assumed.

That's quite interesting.

Proteinshakesandtearsthere are people with all sorts of views that appear wombatish to us

And every single one of them has to be respected, cosseted and indulged ? Fuck off with that.

Protein, what's FMOTL.

@Itssosunny Freeman of the land.

They have a whole explanation for why birth certificates mean the state owns the child. Something to do with 'Berthing' of ships at dock.

The fact that he repeatedly spells 'berth' that way, shows his opinions.

Oddly, he seems to be admitting he has a child or children that arenr registered at birth and are home schools and refuses any authorities checking on the kids welfare or education.

I would be very concerned for those children and their well being.

@JamieVardysHavingAParty. These children would not be allowed to travel abroad without a guardian so when else would they need that passport? They would not get an NI number till they are 16. Nor claim benefits till they are 18 so those particular reasons don’t really stand up to cause of abuse.

Thanks for clarification Proteinshakesandtears.

I would be very concerned for those children and their well being.

Totally agree and the child should be registered for many important reasons. I bet their dog if they have one is registered with the vet.

@SerendipityJane .... I don’t know why don’t you take an IQ TEST and find out

These children would not be allowed to travel abroad without a guardian so when else would they need that passport? They would not get an NI number till they are 16. Nor claim benefits till they are 18 so those particular reasons don’t really stand up to cause of abuse.

Totally missing the point. They are stopping them ever acquiring these documents.

At 18, if someone asked you to prove you have the right to live in this country. How would you have proved it.

At 16, if you want to register to get your NI number. How do you prove you were born here and are entitled?

At 16, if you want to register to get your NI number. How do you prove you were born here and are entitled?

I mean this if we change the law as per Moons idea.

Makes no difference to my opinion though, as I would say if the law is so Dacronian that the country would not allow unregistered babies to register themselves without issue as young adults from 14 or 16 the law ought to be changed. Something for policy makers I think.

And how do you suggest that is done accurately?

At the moment a baby is born, the hospital or midwife send the detail to the registry office so when the parents of baby X come along they can show that baby X was born to mother Y on Z date.

14/16 years later you have young adults wandering in to register themselves - where are the checks on that?

What would stop me bringing my niece from Australia (or a trafficked child) and her going to register herself to say “I was born to Lyra on X date”.

The only way to do that accurately would be to keep a National register of births with the mothers details recorded so that the details could be checked when the young person comes to register themselves. Maybe they could give a certificate to make it easier for the child later....

The whole “mind your own business” and “it’s up to the parents” stance on threads like this (and the Boris Johnson calling the police about the row one) that so many people take does very much explain why my parents got away with abusing their children for so long

The only way to do that accurately would be to keep a National register of births with the mothers details recorded so that the details could be checked when the young person comes to register themselves. Maybe they could give a certificate to make it easier for the child later.

Yes, if only someone had of thought of that way of doing it

These children would not be allowed to travel abroad without a guardian so when else would they need that passport? They would not get an NI number till they are 16. Nor claim benefits till they are 18 so those particular reasons don’t really stand up to cause of abuse.

How does it not?

What is the moral, qualitative difference between removing your adult spouse's ID documents, trapping them in your household, and ensuring that your children will become adults without documents, trapping them in your household?

But given your sympathies are with adults who don't get their children medical treatment, not the children, maybe this shouldn't surprise me. Don't even say a word about how I should try to empathise with different perspectives, because I grew up like that.

I understand and sympathise with my parents and I understand how they got to their paranoid position that I had to be kept off-grid as much as possible, to avoid social services taking me away. It still constitutes abuse. Among other highlights, I had to strap up my own broken arm at 13 after a perfectly ordinary fall on ice. It hurt a lot. I got given some otc aspirin tablets on day 1, and that was it.

Fortunately, it healed straight. If it had broken differently, it might not have done.

The whole “mind your own business” and “it’s up to the parents” stance on threads like this (and the Boris Johnson calling the police about the row one) that so many people take does very much explain why my parents got away with abusing their children for so long

Yup. People only ever contacted social services about my family's erratic behaviour as a revenge for my mother being an anti-social neighbour to them.

@Proteinshakesandtears ... very strange point to pick up on. Are you big bruv?? Lol
No I’m not a doctor and would not give medical advice so you can see why it’s disturbing that ordinary mums who are already probably tired and stressed from lack of sleep etc and maybe slightly paranoid feel harassed enough to ask a total stranger. It doesn’t necessarily mean they are unfit parents. Some people just have a paranoia complex.

No I’m not a doctor and would not give medical advice so you can see why it’s disturbing that ordinary mums who are already probably tired and stressed from lack of sleep etc and maybe slightly paranoid feel harassed enough to ask a total stranger. It doesn’t necessarily mean they are unfit parents. Some people just have a paranoia complex.

So you have no professional expertise. What personal expertise do you have that leads you to be so blase about the effects of untreated "paranoia complex"?

What is your personal experi

What is your personal expertise that leads you to be so blase about the effects of untreated "paranoia complex" on the rest of a family?

Yup. People only ever contacted social services about my family's erratic behaviour as a revenge for my mother being an anti-social neighbour to them.

How do you know their motivations out of curiosity?

Yup. People only ever contacted social services about my family's erratic behaviour as a revenge for my mother being an anti-social neighbour to them.

It was similar to us. My teacher only told the Head Teacher when her line was crossed (my brother was burned by an iron). Until then everyone kept their noses out of the situation. To the point my teacher brought me in breakfast and lunch every day because she knew I was starving, but didn’t speak to social services because they didn’t want to interfere

@JamieVardysHavingAParty ... that is awful! I’m sorry you had to go through that and are still suffering the repercussions. What do you think would have encouraged your parents to take you for medical treatment?

How do you know their motivations out of curiosity?

Well, one time, the latest neighbour came round to shout back at my parents for the passive-aggressive note put through their door, and outright mentioned that she'd called social services in retaliation.

Being used as a weapon really makes you feel valued.

The other times, I could tell from the records. If you live somewhere for three years, without any issue, and then your parents get into a blazing row with the neighbours, and then social services turn up approximately six weeks later after the row with a list of eye-witness allegations dating back three years...

I mean. Come on.

very strange point to pick up on. Are you big bruv?? Lol
No I’m not a doctor and would not give medical advice so you can see why it’s disturbing that ordinary mums who are already probably tired and stressed from lack of sleep etc and maybe slightly paranoid feel harassed enough to ask a total stranger. It doesn’t necessarily mean they are unfit parents. Some people just have a paranoia complex.

It's really not a strange thing to pick up. Some claims multiple women have approached them in toilets asking medical advice because they wont take their children to a qualified person through fear of SS and you presume these women are above board? You assume that SS were over zealous in looking at the family at all.

Despite the evidence in front of you. That a this parent isnt seeking medical attention for their child and instead asking strangers.

What's more likely? That SS are involved because the parents dont make good decisions and do things like not seek medical attention for the kids? Or that you have met multiple women who have been targeted by SS and the woman is an amazing parent, just a victim of the system.

If someone has a paranoia complex that leads them to not make good parenting decisions, then SS are right to be involved.

I suffer with anxiety and depression. SS arent automatically involved. If my mental health means I can not look after my children and make poor decisions, like not registering their births, not seeking appropriate medical attention etc of course SS will need to be involved.

You cant just say 'ah well these parents suffer with the mental healthThey clearly arent looking after the kids. But lets not doing anything because the parent has mental health issues so let them do what they want'

@JamieVardysHavingAParty... I think now schools and healthcare professionals are much hotter on reporting suspected cases of abuse but yes admittedly totally off grid is a risk.

... that is awful! I’m sorry you had to go through that and are still suffering the repercussions. What do you think would have encouraged your parents to take you for medical treatment?

Society intervening properly before their worldview was anchored so deeply it couldn't be changed. Improved mental health support and less people rabbiting on about "parental rights".

When I did the house clearance after they passed, the amount of tin-hat conspiracy stuff I found about authorities stealing children was significant.