Are we ok with our soon to be PM being involved in a domestic 'argument'?

[Totur]

Enough to prompt a neighbour to call police?

www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jun/21/police-called-to-loud-altercation-at-boris-johnsons-home

@carla1983 we`ve entered the twilight zone doncha know

heard A WOMAN SCREAMING.

The word there - SCREAMING...........

I suppose it depends on how you interpret "get off me"

Is she saying "get off me" because he assaulted her? (In my personal experience, I froze when physically assaulted, I didn't scream or shout, but I realise everyone is different)

Is she saying "get off me" because he tried to touch her in a non-violent way, like a partner would to try to de-escalate an argument, and she was angry and wasn't having it?

Unless she comes forward to say she's been assaulted, WE DON'T KNOW

I would imagine it to be unlikely, statistically even if nothing else, that it would have been her breaking stuff. I agree with you OP that this sounds dodgy AF, but taking the ‘oooh maybe it was her’ argument that some PPs have made at face value, even then it reflects badly in Boris.

Carla honey - she was screaming.........

"At this point it’s like choosing your favourite venereal disease.."

FinnBalorsAbs has won the internet.

I am a human being with more experience of DV than any lawyer I hope.

Can’t say I’m especially interested in what, say, tax lawyers have to say on matters of domestic violence tbh. Do either lawyers in the thread have much experience in this area?

@Totur

Sorry but you're jumping to conclusions.

She could have been screaming because he was beating her black and blue.

Equally she could have been screaming because she was drunk and really fucking angry with him.

The point is, we don't know.

@Totur

I'm a survivor of DV too.

We can't assume that all screaming means someone is getting beaten. I froze and was quiet when I was hit.

Lawyers don't tend to know anything about DV apart from defending accused. They are not police who photograph and document the injuries.
I'm a legal secretary. I know nothing about domestic violence as a result of that career.

Not that keen on having as PM a man who gets so drunk he smashes plates, to be honest.

"Me too Chas and this thread is giving me a healthy fear of trial by jury."

We're not in a court, we're on the internet.

This thread is giving me a fear that women themselves still minimise domestic abuse, even when the evidence is right there.

We don't know if he hit her. We don't know if he threw stuff at her. We don't know why they argued.

What I do know is that any 50 year old man who still hasn't learnt to control his temper enough to not get into screaming arguments with the person who he professes to love is not someone I want as PM.

Half the posters on this thread sound they work on The Thick of It.

He’s a twat but this isn’t news - he’s been like this for a very long time

If the vast majority of the country had been as shit at their jobs and brought their personal lives into work as much as he had, we’d’ve sacked or managed out.

He’s like very unwelcome herpes. Just keeps popping up at times of stress.

Smashing things is domestic violence.
It’s a way of an abuser threatening their partner
“You’ll be next” type thing.
It’s a horror to live with.
If you know a partner destroys things in rage, you have no voice , no opinion, no safety, no security.
Imagine living with your children’s little treasures dotted around. Photographs , drawings, little clay pots they made in nursery. All are up to be smashed when your partner sees fit.
Imagine he starts throwing objects when you’re in the room. He picks up the microwave and throws it across the kitchen. Just not directly at you.
Or he burns your clothes because he feels he earned the money to pay for them.
Damaging peoples possessions is really serious.
I just wanted to reinforce that to the uninformed on this thread.

"We can't assume that all screaming means someone is getting beaten."

Sorry, but where has anyone said that's what was happening?

Having a screaming row is domestic violence.

Just because a lot of people on this thread do it does not make it normal.

Carla - I don't care if she was screaming because he burnt the pasta or because he was threatening to hit her if she didn't shut up. The fact is, our new PM has made his girlfriend scream in fear.

So you’re saying this sort of behaviour is fine unless you need to worry about how the country perceives you?

Of course I am not saying that this behaviour is fine. I am saying that at one time we would have expected an aspiring PM to be a statesman, which this behaviour clearly falls a long way short of being. Now it may be that we have had other PMs who treated their wives or mistresses as badly but we didn't have social media then, so it got hushed up.

"Smashing things is domestic violence.
It’s a way of an abuser threatening their partner
“You’ll be next” type thing.
It’s a horror to live with.
If you know a partner destroys things in rage, you have no voice , no opinion, no safety, no security.
Imagine living with your children’s little treasures dotted around. Photographs , drawings, little clay pots they made in nursery. All are up to be smashed when your partner sees fit.
Imagine he starts throwing objects when you’re in the room. He picks up the microwave and throws it across the kitchen. Just not directly at you.
Or he burns your clothes because he feels he earned the money to pay for them.
Damaging peoples possessions is really serious.
I just wanted to reinforce that to the uninformed on this thread."

Yes, but who smashed what? We do not know for sure.

I've been a victim of DV so I'm not uninformed. I just think you all need to put the pitchforks down for now and get them out again if she presses charges or says she's been abused.

Well I've studied the law of evidence and I honestly wouldn't be taking this one to the CPS just yet.

If you have - you'd know that without her evidence it's going nowhere.
A recorded argument however could rightfully bring down a career.

@justbreathing

Love this, made me laugh out loud!

Or it’s the liberal elite communist north Londoners sitting by the wall on 12 hour shifts trying to find any reason to bad mouth bojo because they’re leftie evil cunts