Are we ok with our soon to be PM being involved in a domestic 'argument'?

[Totur]

Enough to prompt a neighbour to call police?

www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jun/21/police-called-to-loud-altercation-at-boris-johnsons-home

"I agree. Which is precisely why using terms such as "domestic abuse" - or indeed howling with rage - is rather premature."

Throwing things and screaming at each other is domestic violence.

Shall I just tattoo it on my face at this point?

@Totur - you can scream in fear or you can scream in anger.

The article said he spilt red wine on her sofa and she yelled at him that he was spoilt. That sounds more like anger

But we don't know.

Very, very disingenuous. Plates aren’t smashed at Greek weddings because of drunkenness.

Iam
Your post is offensive. Nobody is minimising domestic violence. We are saying that we don’t know what happened. We haven’t even heard the recording.

Do I think Boris is fit to be PM - No, I think he is thoroughly unpleasant and incompetent.

"Never been to a Greek wedding then?"

Really?

Is it a winky face, jokey situation to you?

The state of some people on this thread, really.

If it was your daughter, in a marriage with a man 20 years older than her, would you find this situation anything to laugh about?

Because I sure as fuck wouldn't.

@carla1983 Im
Just referring to a pp who suggested that throwing stuff isn’t DV.
Actually some of the worse domestic abusers are careful not to commit the crimes that lead to custodial sentences .

Oh that explains it! Their Greek driver Spiro was marrying the cook, Lugaretzia! Phew- stand down everyone. What a hilarious misunderstanding!

He's an awful joke being played on the British public by a political party that has completely lost the plot.

Sounds like a drunken couple getting a bit loud in a flat with too thin walls.
There is no mention of the man threatening or committing violence against the woman

What's the problem?

If my neighbour recorded me it would never sound pretty. But I come from a shouty, throw things about kinda family!!!

For the record, I still think he's a prat.

Wow Greek wedding Joke is no1 shittiest comment I’ve seen in a while

"Your post is offensive. Nobody is minimising domestic violence. We are saying that we don’t know what happened. We haven’t even heard the recording. "

Which part offends you?

Because it offends me that so many of you are keen to leap up and say 'it probably wasn't that bad'.

The Guardian/Mail would not print this article unless the stuff in the tape was watertight.

We know things were thrown. We know she was yelling at him to get out. We know they were screaming at each other.

That is domestic violence, whether it fits your definition or not.

mindful I'm sorry you think that that is a normal environment.

Mindfulbear do you think that’s why you minimise?

‘Shouty throwing things’ kind of family sounds like a sweet way of saying you grew up in an abusive household?

We don’t know things were thrown - that’s my point.

We know something the neighbour thought was plates crashed. We don’t know why they crashed and who caused it.

"We. Don't. Know. What. Happened. "

We know that neighbours were concerned enough to call the police.

That is not normal.

The fact is that because he’s a Tory, he is wrong no matter what. We don’t know what went on behind closed doors at all. The recording, to me, seems like an agenda. On Mumsnet though, he is pure evil, like all men. Unless he’s Labour. That’s fine.

"We know something the neighbour thought was plates crashed. We don’t know why they crashed and who caused it."

I am not saying HE threw it.

I am saying that it is not normal to be in a fight where things are being thrown.

Bit of a massive fucking coincidence if the crockery just happened to fall off the wall in the middle of a fight.

I shout at my DH sometimes and we here upstairs shout at each other too. Upstairs are perfectly sane people and my DH and I are happily married but I am inclined to shout at him if he pisses me off, kicks The soy sauce bottle over on to the carpet when I told him 7 times to put it on the coffee table. If either of us were Boris and lived next to Labour voters, our neighbours would have a right old time of it waiting for our next silly flurry of irritation before calling first the Police, then the papers!

Maybe Boris knocked 9 bells out of her, maybe he sloshed wine on the sofa and she hit the roof as the screaming seems to have been her. Either way we don’t know. Every opinion here, good or bad, is 100% supposition but everyone who hates Boris has come to the conclusion it’s DV. I like evidence, me. And there is a tape of her shouting at him. That none of us have heard. Sold to a very anti Boris paper.

"The neighbours didn't “witness” anything - unless they can see through walls"

And you wonder why they recorded it? And then you answered your own question. Because they knew they wouldnt be believed.

Perhaps these neighbours have had reason not to trust authorities in the past.

"Bit of a massive fucking coincidence if the crockery just happened to fall off the wall in the middle of a fight."

True, but drunk people accidentally break things.

Equally could be that either of them threw something. We don't know.

The recording, to me, seems like an agenda. On Mumsnet though, he is pure evil, like all men. Unless he’s Labour. That’s fine.

Absolute bollocks