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Are we ok with our soon to be PM being involved in a domestic 'argument'?

835 replies

Totur · 21/06/2019 19:55

Enough to prompt a neighbour to call police?

www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jun/21/police-called-to-loud-altercation-at-boris-johnsons-home

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Totur · 21/06/2019 22:57

The reported words are from her not him:

Get off me
Get out of my flat
Get out
Get off my laptop

Doesn't sound like he was the one being abused.

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Totur · 21/06/2019 22:58

More spineless and conniving.

AKA the two prerequisites for abusive men.

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ChazsBrilliantAttitude · 21/06/2019 22:58

Do you know what a thrown plate sounds like in another property? I don’t. How did the neighbour know it was plates crashing and how do any of us know who was crashing stuff?

There is so much speculation when none of us have heard the recording.

I think the PP who suggested she found something dodgy on his laptop may be right but I don’t know.

I would happily see Boris hung out to dry (read Max Hastings’s view) but we don’t actually know what happened.

GrouchoMrx · 21/06/2019 22:58

It is now be almost a given that the major non-negotiable requirement for the next Chancellor of the Exchequer will be 'hard of hearing'.

Totur · 21/06/2019 22:59

Some of us do know Chaz.

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GrouchoMrx · 21/06/2019 22:59

It is now almost a given that the major non-negotiable requirement for the next Chancellor of the Exchequer will be 'hard of hearing'.

IAmAlwaysLikeThis · 21/06/2019 22:59

"I've never thought of him as physically violent."

Oh well he must not be then, since all domestic abusers go around making it obvious they are violent people. They wear a special badge, don't they.

purplefondant · 21/06/2019 22:59

How can smashing something that causes no harm whatsoever to your partner be DV?

I don't know if it's dv but it's certainly very intimidating, if my dh started doing that i would feel very scared.

PinguDance · 21/06/2019 22:59

Regardless of who smashed what - why are either of them smashing anything?! Jesus Christ this man is supposed to be negotiating an entire globes worth of trade deals. Wtf? It’s not normal to be so angry you break things, especially not for prime ministerial candidates at a time when negotiation and diplomacy are paramount!

Do you think Michel Barnier is reading this like - ok cool sound guy, should be able to work with him

Alsohuman · 21/06/2019 23:00

The condoning of violence against women today on here is truly sickening.

Walkaround · 21/06/2019 23:00

Actually, it is Johnson telling Symonds to get off his laptop - hence my assumption he had something on there he really didn't want her to see!

IAmAlwaysLikeThis · 21/06/2019 23:01

chaz

It just sounds like you're minimising. Who on earth thinks a falling wine glass sounds like a smashing plate? No one.

And you're the one speculating here. No one can possibly guess why they were fighting.

But they can know what they heard.

Totur · 21/06/2019 23:01

Pingu - how about I throw your ipad on the floor and stamp on it...........

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Totur · 21/06/2019 23:03

This will have been a provable recording or the story would not have ran.

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ChazsBrilliantAttitude · 21/06/2019 23:03

Totur
You don’t know. You weren’t there and you haven’t heard the recording.
Your experiences were awful and I hope they haven’t been repeated in this case but we can’t know for certain what happened.

BTW the neighbours comment that they thought it was plates smashing is not defamatory. They expressed an opinion on a sound. They didn’t express an opinion on who created the sound or why.

Cinammoncake · 21/06/2019 23:04

The condoning of violence against women today on here is truly sickening.

yep

carla1983 · 21/06/2019 23:04

@alsohuman

"The condoning of violence against women today on here is truly sickening."

I would condemn it if we knew there was violence towards her. That's not what the article says though? Can someone point me towards the violence part? I can't find it. It says there was smashing of plates, how do we know who did that? How do we know it wasn't a drunken accident?

Dongdingdong · 21/06/2019 23:05

They are finding excuses for him on this site, which appals me.

But you have no idea what happened or who did what!

ChazsBrilliantAttitude · 21/06/2019 23:05

IAM
I am not minimising I am a lawyer and I deal in facts. The facts are that there was shouting and crashing of breakable objects but none of us have even heard the recording so none of use can state with certainty what happened.

PinguDance · 21/06/2019 23:05

Eh? @totur I think it’s bloody awful behaviour and it sounds very much like descriptions of DV that I’ve unfortunately heard people go through. I’m just saying that even if she did smash his stuff, it’s still not ok for that situation to have arisen!

carla1983 · 21/06/2019 23:06

"But you have no idea what happened or who did what!"

This exactly

Dongdingdong · 21/06/2019 23:06

This will have been a provable recording or the story would not have ran.

No one is disputing the recording Confused

Totur · 21/06/2019 23:06

a loud altercation involving screaming, shouting and banging.
The argument could be heard outside the property
A neighbour told the Guardian they heard a woman screaming followed by “slamming and banging”. At one point Symonds could be heard telling Johnson to “get off me” and “get out of my flat”.
The neighbour said that after becoming concerned they knocked on the door but received no response. “I [was] hoping that someone would answer the door and say ‘We’re okay’. I knocked three times and no one came to the door.”

YES - IT SOUNDS LIKE SHE WAS ASSAULTING HIM.

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Idontwanttotalk · 21/06/2019 23:07

"It's not up to us. It's up to Tory party members, they will be fine with this. I very much doubt that even I'd he had beaten her up and been prosecuted they would still vote him into office. These are he same people who think Brexit is worth the break up of the UK and serious damage to the economy. I can't believe they would care in the slightest about a women being abused."
Wtf? What a ridiculous thing to say. You don't even know how Tory party members will vote. Just because Tory MPs have voted BJ into first place doesn't mean he'll garner the majority of the votes from actual members. I think a lot of people think he's a baffoon.

Tory party members will possibly be split roughly 50/50 between leavers and remainers like the rest of the country. You make it sound like they are all 'no deal' brexiteers who don't give a toss about Wales, Northern Ireland or Scotland. There are probably members of the Tory party who are from those countries too.

There doesn't seem to be any evidence to support your opinion or have Tory members been canvassed for their opinions and I've missed it?

Why wouldn' they care about women being abused? I'm fairly sure Tory party members comprise both men and women who have mothers, sisters, daughters etc. Do you really think they wouldn't care about the abuse of women?

Presumably you aren't a Tory supporter (Grin) but don't treat them as if they're all bigoted. They are probably very normal people from a cross section of society whose political views just don't happen to coincide with yours.

Vulpine · 21/06/2019 23:08

The most dangerous type of domestic abuse is done by the men who hide it well

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