Are we ok with our soon to be PM being involved in a domestic 'argument'?

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Enough to prompt a neighbour to call police?

www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jun/21/police-called-to-loud-altercation-at-boris-johnsons-home

@SquishySquirmy That is exactly how should judge him. As you suggest yourself, his professional record provides ample evidence from which to draw conclusions, without dealing into aspects of his private life that might hurt other people. It is possible to think he is unsuitable to be PM while also thinking that the Guardian should not have published details of the recording made by his neighbour.

How many people here can say they've never had a heated argument?

I've never had an argument so heated that it could be heard clearly by my neighbours and people out in the street.

Of course they'd be foolish to publish anything other than a faithful account of the dialogue, so what's to be gained by withholding the recording? It leads me to believe that the tone of the argument was....mild

They're probably not publishing it because of the possibility of a criminal charge, and/or because of threats from Boris' lawyers. There's nothing mild about what has been reported about him.

Then why have they published no transcript or the tape? It can’t be an injunction, the courts are closed and have been since the story broke.

You can get injunctions 24 hours a day, 7 days a week in urgent cases. There is always at least one judge on duty for precisely the purpose.

No matter how much you suggest that the neighbours might be politically motivated, the plain fact is the they couldn't make bricks without straw. We know that there is the evidence of the recording, and there is the evidence of a number of other people who heard it. Johnson hasn't denied it. Spin it how you like, you can't change that.

At the minimum level he had a screaming row with his girlfriend that was so loud police were called (and lets face it even if they dont like his politics he was still loud enough to hear) and a complaint noted.

Even that yes it does affect his ability to do the job, if he takes it on he will have to deal with the most difficult of negotiations one which will be complicated and require a cool head. Most of us have never gotten into an argument that loud so for him to have done so shows a lack of control over his emotions - an absolute pre requisite for the PM job

The recording is immaterial because even if she provoked him it doesnt matter in relation to this

I've never had an argument so heated that it could be heard clearly by my neighbours and people out in the street.

You must not live in a London flat, then. We share walls.

They're probably not publishing it because of the possibility of a criminal charge, and/or because of threats from Boris' lawyers. There's nothing mild about what has been reported about him.

If this is true, then it will be revealed in time. There's no real offense to be launched against the truth, is there?

I like Boris, and I’m getting a bit tired of all the sniping and jibing against him.

You like the person who talked about piccaninnies with water melon smiles? You like the person who colluded with a friend about getting someone beaten up? You like the person who caused the prolonged imprisonment of Nazanin Zaghari-Ratcliffe? Who wasted billions of pounds on a vanity project Garden Bridge for the benefit of private developers?

Well, there's no accounting for tastes.

If this is true, then it will be revealed in time.
Not if the cocklodging, incompetant fuckwit has taken out a Super Injunction.

@floraloctopus Thank you for sharing the youtube link.

The guy has been outed being himself - not the 'jolly fool' act he thinks charms people.
Even when he is behaving at his best in public he has revealed himself to be a racist thug, disloyal, untrustworthy and devoid of any diplomatic skill.
Bad enough - now the veil has been further lifted.
Worse has yet to come.......

I think the neighbour said he was in the hallway outside his flat when he supposedly heard the altercation. So the equivalent of being in the next room really. I hope there is a big backlash against this neighbour, he is absolutely disingenuous. If he feared for the woman's safery I am the queen of sheba

Woody68 - and what of the other neighbours who heard it and were alarmed by it? Were they all disingenuously in the hallway?

Except that two other neighbours have corroborated the story.

Like all right wingers Boris (and his fans on here) preach personal responsibility, but have reems of excuses for why they shouldnt be held accountable for their actions.

Not if the cocklodging, incompetant fuckwit has taken out a Super Injunction.

He'd have to find a judge willing to grant it.

He could already have done so Alaskan and it wouldn't surprise me given the police originally lied for him.

Like all right wingers Boris (and his fans on here) preach personal responsibility, but have reems of excuses for why they shouldnt be held accountable for their actions.

We don't know what his actions were.

Like I said, would you allow a salacious recording of Your Great Leader to be filtered through the editorial lens of the Telegraph? No, you'd demand the original.

What does accountability mean though? The police went round and went away without arresting him or charging him with anything. What else is there?

Presumably the women with Boris’s love children could go through the CMS and get DNA and maintaince. His ex wife is entitled to a normal split of assets in a divorce.

This is so like listening to Trump’s supporters. All this deflecting, blaming others, and defending an odious, racist misogynist. It’s unfathomable and utterly depressing.

I'm American and they elected a misogynist that said on tape he would just grab a woman by the pussy, so at this point literally nothing would surprise me. Boris is a first class twat from an ultra privileged background and virtually no understanding of ordinary people. So yes, he will almost certainly become the next PM.

His actions were enough to make more than one neighbour fear for the saftey of the woman inside.

But now its the neighbours fault.

Who is "Your Great Leader"? We have no great leaders... And tbh, I would not expect The Telegraph to stoop so low as to lie about who told someone to get off their "fucking laptop" or who told whom to get off them. I wouldn't put it past The Daily Mail just to make things up, but do expect a little bit more accuracy from The Guardian, The Telegraph and The Times.

Rory Bremner

Boris is not a nice person and I dislike the idea of him as PM but none of us know exactly what happened as so we can’t be sure of his role.

I struggle with anyone being taken in by the buffoon act the truth about him has been out there for a long time.
www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2012/oct/10/boris-johnson-unfit-to-be-prime-minister

This was Max Hastings in 2012. I don’t think Boris’s boss at the Telegraph is a left wing activist!

@ChazsBrilliantAttitude it is a brilliant article. And it reminds us that, not very long ago, Boris was indeed exceptionally popular. That has changed a lot in the last few years, but not as much as some like to think. The reality is that there is a large contingent of older voters who remember him fondly from the HIGNFY days and would vote for him. He really was a very entertaining guest on that programme. I think it is arguable that, perhaps ironically, the BBC and Ian Hislop gave him a huge leg up in his prime ministerial ambitions.

Loving the Rory Bremner take on this

He's vile and this situation reported is horrible. However it smacks of political point scoring. I also think it does v little to help women experiencing domestic abuse becuase of this. Yes we should report things, however the point scoring is wrong, petty and distasteful.

Its not point scoring, any other politician would have had it reported.