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Are we ok with our soon to be PM being involved in a domestic 'argument'?

835 replies

Totur · 21/06/2019 19:55

Enough to prompt a neighbour to call police?

www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jun/21/police-called-to-loud-altercation-at-boris-johnsons-home

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Kitobi · 23/06/2019 18:47

Obs the ones that called the police and then sold their stories to the local rags didnt ever exaggerate . Who hasn't had an argument, only difference is you wont make 30k telling the papers about it if your a normal Joe.

NCforthis2019 · 23/06/2019 18:48

Nah - it’ll make him more popular.

IcedPurple · 23/06/2019 18:48

finds it necessary to sell it to the Guardian

The Guardian does not pay for stories.

LJdorothy · 23/06/2019 18:51

The screaming was so loud it disturbed the neighbours, so the couple were clearly not focussing on maintaining their own privacy, and the neighbours, whatever their political leanings, would have been remiss to ignore screaming. Phoning the police was the correct thing to do. In her account, the other neighbour says she was about to phone the police too, so whoever was throwing things in that house, the neighbour clearly thought events were spiralling out of control. This is far more than a 'normal' couple's tiff, for goodness sake. Stop minimising it.

Ronsters · 23/06/2019 18:54

Nothing wrong with calling the police, if they were worried.
I am rather cynical about them contacting The Guardian, however.

LJdorothy · 23/06/2019 18:55

So Mark Field had the right to assault a woman because he wasn't getting to eat his dinner in peace? Really??? Is this the 1850s?

Cinammoncake · 23/06/2019 18:58

I am rather cynical about them contacting The Guardian, however.

Otherwise we wouldn't all know about it, and it is in the public interest.

marvellousnightforamooncup · 23/06/2019 18:58

Well I think this story is in the public interest. The neighbours said it sounded like someone was being murdered and he's about to become PM.

I'd have called the police to protect her and I really don't blame them for telling the papers.

LJdorothy · 23/06/2019 19:01

And whatever you think about the neighbours contacting the Guardian doesn't change the fact that there was a fracas in the house occupied by a possible future PM (God help us all), a fracas so loud that several neighbours called/considered calling the police.

Alsohuman · 23/06/2019 19:09

A lot of people have really shown what they are with these two incidents. Frankly, it’s terrifying.

IcedPurple · 23/06/2019 19:16

Who hasn't had an argument, only difference is you wont make 30k telling the papers about it if your a normal Joe

They won't make a penny giving their story to The Guardian because, to repeat, like all British broadsheets The Guardian does not pay for stories.

TruthOnTrial · 23/06/2019 19:37

Its shocking the apologists and minmisers on here.

Its not normal or ok to be throwing plates around. Something is very wrong if an argument involves such loud shouting and screaming (some do think this is normal behaviour though, to be treated this way,or to treat others this way).

Its not a healthy relationship to be sure, its something else.

Does mr BJ (Grin) not wear condoms either? Whats the obsession with everyone struggling to know how many dc he has? Why isnt he clear in this..why is he (et al) hiding this?

LJdorothy · 23/06/2019 19:44

5 or 6 children, apparently. His own daughter called him a 'selfish bastard.' But go for it, Tories. Vote for him. What does it matter what he's really like?

Isatis · 23/06/2019 19:51

The neighbour who is not political (nursery teacher in upstairs flat) says he wasn’t shouting. He was calm and trying to calm Carrie. Attaching a screen grab of her account.

Except that doesn't appear to be borne out by the wholly non-political evidence of the tape. Anyone who believes that the Guardian would have publicised the existence of the tape if it doesn't back up what they have published urgently needs a rationality transplant.

Dualmum · 23/06/2019 20:03

Who hasn't had a argument with their spouse or partner? Everyone goes through it. The man is after all a human being.

SquishySquirmy · 23/06/2019 20:11

I have never had an argument like that with my dp dualmum.
Never screamed at each other so loud the neighbours heard, never thrown objects or crashed around and thrown things.
Never had neighbours concerned for our safety, never had the police called.
Not in the years we've been married, and certainly not in the first few months of the relationship!

It's not normal.

4legsandawaggytail · 23/06/2019 20:23

The neighbour (not a Boris fan) jumped at the chance to make some easy cash. Is Boris a human being or a God! How many people here can say they've never had a heated argument? What makes him different. Ideal fodder for the media who want Hunt as PM. This will probably lead to another general election as the EU are not budging on the deal, then we face having Corbyn as PM. It can only get worse.

IcedPurple · 23/06/2019 20:25

The neighbour (not a Boris fan) jumped at the chance to make some easy cash.

For the 3rd time in about 2 hours: they will not have made any cash, 'easy' or otherwise, because The Guardian does not pay for stories.

LJdorothy · 23/06/2019 20:28

He is a revolting excuse for a human being. Have you forgotten that he talked about 'cheering crowds of flag waving piccaninnies with watermelon smiles'?? Said that Muslim women in burkas looked like 'letterboxes.' I truly cannot believe that so many Conservatives believe he is fit to be PM.

Kitobi · 23/06/2019 20:31

The guardian may not pay for stories. But the dozens of rags that also want interviews to follow on certainly do.

AlaskanOilBaron · 23/06/2019 20:32

Except that doesn't appear to be borne out by the wholly non-political evidence of the tape. Anyone who believes that the Guardian would have publicised the existence of the tape if it doesn't back up what they have published urgently needs a rationality transplant.

Of course they'd be foolish to publish anything other than a faithful account of the dialogue, so what's to be gained by withholding the recording? It leads me to believe that the tone of the argument was....mild.

What other reason is there? They've already made the allegations, they're already on the hook.

Never screamed at each other so loud the neighbours heard,

Ha. Do you live in a terraced house or flat? I'm sorry to report that I can hear my neighbours having sex all the time.

IcedPurple · 23/06/2019 20:34

But the dozens of rags that also want interviews to follow on certainly do.

Can you name these 'rags'? Have they come out on record saying the 'want interviews' and how many such requests have been accepted?

FannyWork · 23/06/2019 20:37

Except that doesn't appear to be borne out by the wholly non-political evidence of the tape. Anyone who believes that the Guardian would have publicised the existence of the tape if it doesn't back up what they have published urgently needs a rationality transplant.

Then why have they published no transcript or the tape? It can’t be an injunction, the courts are closed and have been since the story broke.

The Guardian were publishing pictures of the back seat of his car last week insinuating it was too messy to belong to someone capable of being PM because there was a load of his kids detritus in the back. It’s not like the reknowned for particularly reliable or impartial reporting these days.

The people who recorded the tape lied. They said they had no political interest outside of voting Remain but they’ve been investigated and it’s turned out they’re both activists and both of their salaries are paid via EU funding.

We also know it’s true Carrie was linked to the Worboys case.

You might also have noticed that the story from the tapers were framed. They actually said relatively little and they don’t contradict the nursery teachers account, they just chose to leave important bits of information out by not identifying the sex of the shouter. The entire story is based on insinuation on there part and selective presentation of information to give the impression DV was occurring whilst never actually saying it had (because they know it hadn’t so they won’t actually say it and get sued).

So Boris, Carrie, the police and the impartial neighbours have said there was no issue, even the Guardian has reluctantly reported that other neighbours gave completely different accounts.

But we’re supposed to believe two people who on this issue are known to have repeatedly lied. Boris I can understand people disbelieving him but I can’t see why Carrie or a nursery teacher should be accused of lying.

Alsohuman · 23/06/2019 20:40

If you were after money you’d go to one of the “rags” that pay for stories, wouldn’t you?

AlaskanOilBaron · 23/06/2019 20:42

Can you name these 'rags'? Have they come out on record saying the 'want interviews' and how many such requests have been accepted?

Surely that's not how it happens, though? They don't write on their front page 'we want to interview Boris Johnson's neighbour and are willing to pay £10K!' Rather, they get in touch with the couple privately and organise something?

You'd have to be pretty blinkered to see that they didn't have some personal stake in this. They're part of the left-wing London art scene, this is going to raise their profiles considerably, they might give interviews, they might hire a PR consultant and make a go of it.