To ask what to do about Boris

[myohmywhatawonderfulday]

I get how it works. We elect parties to reporesnt ya. Their members elect their leaders.

But I feel so strongly that I do not want Boris Johnson to represent Britain as our leader.

Yet I feel so powerless and like an observer watching the Tory party elect someone because of internal politics that has nothing to do with good leadership, integrity and actually leading the country.

What are the options for action open to us?

Alsohuman which area is that? Is that South East? The house opposite me sold in one week. Another bigger one round the corner in 2. But like I said I am in the Midlands and our houses are probably cheaper anyway.

The property market in SW London is totally stagnant. Talk to any estate agent, they will tell you that this is unprecedented. Nobody is going to pay £500 k in stamp on a five-bed semi priced between £3-4 million (which is what most houses cost in many areas), if they feel we are heading into a recession and house prices are about to crash through the floor. Houses in places like Barnes or Putney have been on the market for 1-2 years, even though prices have been reduced by maybe 20% in many cases. These houses wouid have sold in 6 months before Brexit.

The conservatives sell themselves as “the party of the small business”, but it’s already too late for many businesses. My friends husband used to employ maybe 700 people - now there are 30 left and they’re facing administration. So 700 lost jobs; 700 less taxpayers and this company is far from being alone. The doom and gloom forecasts are not scaremongering - it’s already happening.

Also a lot of bankers who aren’t tied down by children in schools are shifting their money to Italy, as a safer bet. If you buy a property there and can show this is your primary residence for a minimum of 5 months (or maybe it’s 6), you can be tax free, following a one-off payment. Money is flooding out of the city, and this is just one of the ways.

The house we want to buy is in the Midlands, it’s sat around for ages despite being really lovely.

Saj is now out of the race...

Time to stitch Gove up, then.

Trump and BJ. ffs. I'm going to fuck off and live in a cave, let me know when its all over.

...and Michael Gove now in second place. Does anyone think that Gove/Hunt might actually become the next PM in a surprise victory, or is Boris a foregone conclusion?

Bundy, are you going to vote for Boris?
( its a genuine question, plus you say your a remainer which is interesting!)

My husband has a theory which I am clinging to as I would otherwise be running through the streets screaming and rending my garments. He thinks that Johnson will win and this will be a good thing because the Tory Party will fall apart almost at once and there will be another GE. I don't know what he thinks will happen then. I can think of almost nobody from the current shower I'd want to be PM.

I get the impression that Corbyn is being begged by the rest of the shadow cabinet to support Remain/another referendum because they can see that if Labour did that they would probably win the next GE, but time is running out for that. Corbyn would be a disaster as PM.

I don't know which is a worse prospect - Corbyn as PM or Johnson as PM. We're a laughing stock to the rest of the world regardless.

I completely agree with your husband @GaspOdethewonderdog, that’s precisely what I think will happen too.

gasp, all i have heard on the radio and tv is labour ( leaver ) supporters saying they will vote for the Brexit party and labour has ' let them down'.over their views on the issue.
If labour had a new leader, this might help a bit, but with JC on board they are doomed I think. just my opinion and from what i have heard and read.

You could have displayed the sentiment about Muslim women without calling them Pillarboxes, or by calling gay men bum boys, or African's as Picanninies with watermelon smiles, or his dog whistle racism about Obama.

How about when he described the money spent on historic child abuses cases as being "Spaffed up the wall".

There are many more.

A good negotiator? Evidence of this?

bundy, that does sound very interesting and goes to show how divisive brexit has made the political set up and ordinary homes as well.

"all i have heard on the radio and tv is labour ( leaver ) supporters saying they will vote for the Brexit party and labour has ' let them down'.over their views on the issue."

Yet the Brexit party split the Tory vote in Peterborough. which has been a Tory seat for 30 of the last 40 years.

The 80s - I've heard those vox pops too, but frankly I don't trust the BBC to be neutral any more. The fact remains that opinion polls show that a huge number of people still want to remain in the EU, a majority on some showings, and in the original vote a lot of those were Labour voters - must have been, as only about a third of Tory voters (or was it members?) went with Remain. Three years have passed since the original vote and a lot has come to light since then. It's time to have another vote.

That’s interesting that you’re a Conservative remainder who would vote for Boris, TFBundy. So you would do this even though he will not compromise on leaving on Oct 31st, even with no deal? Surely this is the worst possible outcome for everyone?

All the Conservatives I know (which is the vast majority of people round here) wouid rather put up with 4 years of JC and his mansion tax and VAT on school fees, rather than have Boris and a no- deal scenario. There’s only so much damage JC can do in 4 years and he probably wouldn’t last the full term anyway. He can only criticise, he’s not a leader. You know things are dire when the banking and entrepreneur contingent would rather vote for JC if it meant a second ref and some glimmer of hope that this mess could be reversed.

I’m just hoping that parliament will reject no deal and it will force a general election? Probably naive? If so, I think the LIb Dems could take it?

yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2016/06/27/how-britain-voted

65% of Labour voters backed remain

61% of Conservative voters backed leave.

Politics in this country is broken, the standards for politicians are so low its frightening.

Not long until the missiles are flying.

There’s always been accusations of vote rigging in Peterborough, it’s been going on at every local and general election for at least 30 years. The allegations are always groundless.

When an election comes round, don't vote for him. If enough people reject Boris, he'll be out.

Early days yet though, we don't know at the moment what will happen.