To ask what to do about Boris

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I get how it works. We elect parties to reporesnt ya. Their members elect their leaders.

But I feel so strongly that I do not want Boris Johnson to represent Britain as our leader.

Yet I feel so powerless and like an observer watching the Tory party elect someone because of internal politics that has nothing to do with good leadership, integrity and actually leading the country.

What are the options for action open to us?

Principle didn't matter Boris, as I said.

Why should he be extended a courtesy ne refused others.

Its like when Trump supporters say "respect the office", Trump didn't (amd often neither did they).

Did you back Gordon Brown as PM?

Oh and btw, did you note my post above which says let him have the job and see what he's up to?

Basically he's not Jeremy Corbyn. If Labour had got their shit together and appointed a new leader two years ago we wouldn't be in this mess.

It just feels depressing watching all these live debates knowing we have no say at such a pivotal point...I turned it off.

I can't bear the guy, but in a way I think it will be a good thing. He's been standing on the sidelines, making all sorts of rubbish statements and claims (via his paid for Telegraph column!) without real challenge or rebuke.

If he's in charge the man finally he has to put his money where his mouth is and show us just why he is so much better than everyone else, and how he can do a better job of Brexit than everyone else. Either he succeeds - in which case great - or else he is finally shown up as the charlatan I suspect he is, and we finally see the back of him for a long time.

I often think I'd rather that than another 3 years of him posturing in the wings spouting shit.

Anyone noticed how gove looks a bit like Chris Evans? Chris Evans on drugs :o

Aren't we all glad we avoided Ed Miliband's coalition of chaos?

I didn't support Gordon Brown, obviously, but I had no problem with the normal constitutional position being observed. It was Labour that condemned themselves to defeat by replacing a moderate triple GE winner with Mr. I-Abolished-Boom-and-Bust-oh-Wait-a-Minute-No-I-Didn't.

It is possible that he's the best option given that he might (nb might) be able to control the Conservative Parliamentary Party which his two predecessors signally failed to do.

And as the Tories will be governing the country until 2022 (no way can Labour force a general election), that matters IMO.

As I said, Boris did object to the normal constitutional process being observed, as did the conservative party.

So, once its been objected to, its fine to again.

Also, there is a significant difference, Labour had a working majority and a mandate in 2007, the Tories have neither

So, once its been objected to, its fine to again.

If you're content to be a hypocrite, sure.

I'm happy to admit that Boris was wrong to make that complaint - admitting fault on your own side isn't actually that hard, you should try it sometime.

This will be the second Tory PM in a row nobody voted for.

Wrong.

The voters of Uxbridge & South Ruislip voted for Johnson to be their MP at the 2017 General Election, the voters of Maidenhead voted for May at the 2015 General Election, the voters of Kirkcaldy & Cowdenbeath voted for Gordon Brown at the 2005 General Election and the voters of Huntingdon voted for John Major at the 1987 General Election.

Assuming Johnson wins the Tory leadership election, all four were appointed Prime Minister by the Queen during the course of the Parliament for which they were elected because they assumed the leadership of the largest party in that Parliament when their predecessors resigned.

That is how the British system of Parliamentery democracy works.

A hypicrite like Boris you mean? Who will happily not call an election?

I think he should get a term tbh, then he'll have to disappear for ever.

I was by the way quite happy for John Major to continue without an election.

I note also that a huge majoirty of Tories and their supporters were critical of Brown not calling an election.

You have also failed to address my point about working majorities.

If BJ controls his party as well as he controls himself he'll be out of a job by Christmas. Let's see.

He gets in as pm, I'm leaving.

You have also failed to address my point about working majorities.

That will be tested in Parliament, as it always is. The good news is that your hero Magic Grandpa is a lot further away from a working majority than Boris is

Boris suddenly has a Muslim great-grandfather He does.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ali_Kemal

I hope he does become the next PM.
You never know, he might surprise us all and do a good job.

Given that moderate Tory MPs are saying they’d support a no confidence vote if Boris is PM, he won’t last long before we’re all heading for the polling station again. Christ alone knows what chaos will ensue then.

Honestly I see him being nothing more than a puppet leader. The Tory party will keep a tight rein on him and use him as a figurehead but he won’t have any real individual impact on policies.

Just hope that Rory Stewart gets voted in.
I am not a Conservative, but surely it's clear Rory is best of a bad lot?

@derxa - I wish Boris would stop talking about his Muslim great grandfather to curry votes. The fact is that a lot of right wing Islamic movements (not just in the UK but internationally) use him as an example of the bad shit that happens to your kids when Muslims integrate. Have often seen speeches where his photo is brought up and the first question asked is ‘do you want your kids to turn out like this?’ Sajid Javid is a far better representative of Islamic values / integration.

Rory seems like a really interesting bloke but i cant see him as leader

If BJ is appointed as PM it confirms how out of touch the Tory Party is.
It will show that Tories admire a serial philanderer, a racist, a foot in the mouth buffoon, an admirer of Trump and a proven liar. If he is the pick of the Tory Party - god help us all.

Can't abide Tories as a matter or course but seeing as though we have to have a Con PM right now, I'd like it to be Sajid Javid. Purely because of his heritage. It would piss a lot of people off.

As for BJ, let me remind everyone about his views on the Hillsborough disaster:

"The deaths of more than 50 Liverpool football supporters at Hillsborough in 1989 was undeniably a greater tragedy than the single death, however horrible, of Mr Bigley; but that is no excuse for Liverpool’s failure to acknowledge, even to this day, the part played in the disaster by drunken fans at the back of the crowd who mindlessly tried to fight their way into the ground that Saturday afternoon. The police became a convenient scapegoat, and the Sun newspaper a whipping-boy for daring, albeit in a tasteless fashion, to hint at the wider causes of the incident."

"The extreme reaction to Mr Bigley’s murder is fed by the fact that he was a Liverpudlian. Liverpool is a handsome city with a tribal sense of community. A combination of economic misfortune — its docks were, fundamentally, on the wrong side of England when Britain entered what is now the European Union — and an excessive predilection for welfarism have created a peculiar, and deeply unattractive, psyche among many Liverpudlians. They see themselves whenever possible as victims, and resent their victim status; yet at the same time they wallow in it. Part of this flawed psychological state is that they cannot accept that they might have made any contribution to their misfortunes, but seek rather to blame someone else for it, thereby deepening their sense of shared tribal grievance against the rest of society."

Just my personal opinion but Sajid has absolutely no chance of being chosen by the membership, especially as it's apparently been infiltrated by a lot of hard brexiteers who have ditched ukip. All applicants are vile. Stewart is less obviously vile.