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To think people need to stop viewing Boris Johnson as a loveable buffoon?

240 replies

MoominMantra · 14/06/2019 09:57

He's nasty and astute

He hangs around with horrible bigots who support eugenics, like Steve Bannon.

He cannot manage a day without having to publicly apologise for some dreadful remark he made.

He is even more likely to carry on heaping austerity on the sick and disabled than any other Tory leader.

When he was mayor he closed 10 fire stations in London.

He's dangerous and he doesn't give a fuck about anyone. I can't think of a worse proposition for PM.

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RussianSpamBot · 14/06/2019 22:05

Why do you think that whiteredrose?

CherryPavlova · 14/06/2019 22:06

Yes a very scary thought that he might be our next prime minister.

MoominMantra · 14/06/2019 22:40

@ByGaslight let's hope you're right 😬

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nanbread · 15/06/2019 00:03

Is this all about throwing Johnson under the bus? Brexit is a horrible shitshow and whatever happens over the next year or two is likely to be a disaster, so his fellow party members are gleefully electing him to destroy himself via No.10?

libtwits · 15/06/2019 00:11

You sound hysterical OP.

Have you just come on here to create a very personally nasty thread just your personal spleen to vent. When the liberal virtue-signallers come on here, they always swear and huff and puff to create a political platform (devoid of any content themselves of course). They also come across generally the most vicious and unpleasant people you unfortunately cross paths with. I'm not a fan of Boris (more than I am of any other politician) but you sound the usual intolerant, unpleasant and spiteful excuse for a liberal, for sure.

nanbread · 15/06/2019 00:16

@libtwits are you on glue?

It's not a personally nasty thread, it's about how the potential next leader of the UK has a very well documented past making racist and homophobic comments, threats, other deeply unpleasant comments and poor legislative decisions like shutting 10 fire stations as Mayor.

If you want intolerant, unpleasant and vicious I think the subject, rather than the author, of this thread is a much better place to start.

Zipee · 15/06/2019 00:21

Libtwit appears to have composed a word salad from the alt right phrase book.

StoneofDestiny · 15/06/2019 01:17

Boris is a proven philanderer - shags anybody he can get an advantage from (currently the woman steering his new image). He is a proven liar, an over privileged lout who has promoted his own political ambition (not the public good) and is well known for his arrogance and propensity to drop people like hot bricks who have outlived their usefulness to him.
Scarier still - if he is the best the Tories can come up with to lead them, God help us all. If the Tories think he is worthy of their support, it says a hell of a lot about their moral compass.

Not for one minute can anybody seriously believe the interests of the public are at the centre of their considerations - the Tories are protecting their own personal positions - nothing else is of any importance to them.

MoominMantra · 15/06/2019 03:28

1/10 @libtwits

'I'm not a fan of Boris' yeah, right 😂

'Hysterical' is an accusation oft used by misogynistic folk who don't actually have an argument themselves.

If I'm so 'spiteful', please do tell me which of my concerns about Johnson are not the truth? Somehow I doubt he's crying into his pillow about my 'spiteful' remarks.

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CilantroChili · 15/06/2019 04:12

I’m Irish, living in Ireland. Vanishingly few of us (educated/politically aware) see him as such.
I see the people of GB as friends and neighbours and almost cousins. I wish that Northern Ireland could have the same womens’ rights that we employ
I’m deeply concerned about the way things are panning out. It’s awful to see your neighbours house burn down, despite all the colonist issues. We are closer than we are apart. Bojo as PM.....bad news for everyone

Graphista · 15/06/2019 05:39

No attempt to say why Johnson isn’t vile. That’ll be because they can’t absolutely!

He's an appallingly extreme bigot who will even further divide this country.

I'm not and never have been completely convinced that his actions re nazanin Radcliffe were a "mistake"

He's dangerous, doesn't care about anyone but himself, his only interest in being a politician is to have and exercise power.

The other candidates aren't great but they're far less overtly and clearly dangerous as him.

The only good thing that could possibly come out of his being PM is that fact FINALLY making the tories unelectable!

QueenBeee he was a fucking disaster as a mayor!

He's a hypocrite and a turncoat with no moral fibre whatsoever.

I'm genuinely terrified of the prospect of this excuse of a man becoming PM, I can absolutely without a hint of irony see such a disastrous decision resulting in a civil war in the uk.

Because he WOULD:

Push greater cuts to public services including the police

Push greater cuts to welfare benefits leading to increased crime and general frustration

Sell out the Nhs leading to fear, desperation and greater numbers of patients who become aggressive through lack of treatment (not just the mentally ill, of which I'm one, but there are many other conditions where lack of treatment can result in aggressive behaviour)

push for a hard border in Northern Ireland and possibly issues with Scotland too. Not to mention inflaming the leavers v Remainers situation generally.

Even if he stepped down immediately after forcing a no deal brexit the damage would be done.

"Because I can't think of a single PM who has fit the bill for decades." Neither can I. The last remotely close to "normal" background pm we even had was James Callaghan.

The very best thing we could do for the country is to end the Westminster gravy train.

I'm not just talking expenses and direct benefits of this kind as for the wealthier ones this is a mere drop in the ocean. But things like mps being allowed:

To be property developers...while voting on renters rights

To have shares in private healthcare companies...while voting on healthcare and matters affecting the Nhs

To be in hedge funds...while voting on how they're regulated and monitored

To be owners & directors of private utilities companies...while voting on their regulation and how much they can profit

Make being an MP only attractive to those genuinely interested in serving the public. But equally make it easier & cheaper to stand as an MP - while in theory it "only" costs £500 the reality is it costs close to £50k to run a campaign. I think it would be very interesting if candidates were very limited in what they could spend on a campaign.

"he only wants to win the office, not do the job" exactly!

Thatcher was at least competent and had her own ideals which she stuck to.

I think the most dangerous thing about Johnson is that nobody really knows what he actually believes in, what he actually cares about (if anything) because what he claims to be his beliefs so rapidly change if they're not "working" for him.

ADarkandStormyKnight · 15/06/2019 10:53

Imagine if Johnson was Foreign Secretary right now, with the situation in the Gulf of Oman.

Whosorrynow · 15/06/2019 11:02

To be property developers...while voting on renters rights

To have shares in private healthcare companies...while voting on healthcare and matters affecting the Nhs
To be in hedge funds...while voting on how they're regulated and monitored
To be owners & directors of private utilities companies...while voting on their regulation and how much they can profit
I agree completely, these are all abuses of power

Whosorrynow · 15/06/2019 11:04

nobody knows what he believes in
He is a chameleon, a shapeshifter

Whosorrynow · 15/06/2019 11:06

Maybe people will see through him quite quickly because there has been so much focus on and analysis of the machinations of trump

ADarkandStormyKnight · 16/06/2019 12:01

Apparently the 'members' who get to decide prefer him and prefer 'no deal'.They know who he is. They don't care.

ADarkandStormyKnight · 16/06/2019 12:04

I wonder how a GE will go if Boris becomes PM and we crash out in October.

Surely once we are 'out' there is no need for the Brexit Party to exist, and many people will refuse to vote for the Conservatives.

Zipee · 16/06/2019 12:05

The members think he will be able to deliver the brexit he promised.

They also will be able to take the hit of any economic impact, but hey, they think its worth it.

Gth1234 · 16/06/2019 12:21

The thing is, you are all spouting anti-conservatism, not anti-Boris.

pretty well everything in @graphita's post is just a left-wing diatribe. She doesn't want ANY conservative PM, certainly not a popular one.

My belief is that the conservative leader who takes us out of EU, with all the goodwill that will engender, will win comprehensively in 2022, which is one reason why they would not want to delay the exit into 2020. You can't dispute that Boris is charismatic.

On a technical point, I just don't understand why Cameron and May didn't sort out the constituency boundaries, which gift labour 20 seats in a general election. Maybe the new leader will be able to ram that one through pretty quickly.

ADarkandStormyKnight · 16/06/2019 12:25

Conservatives before country, Gth1234?

Gth1234 · 16/06/2019 12:31

@ADarkandStormyKnight

100% conservatism before Marxist-Leninist dogma.

StarShapedWindow · 16/06/2019 12:37

I don’t think anyone who wants to be prime minister will ever be anything other than a megalomaniac - you’d have to be to put yourself forward for that job.

Boris is very clever, he’s shrewd and I think he’d steer the country away from Brexit. I don’t really know whether I care about his personal life - Hitler was a vegetarian and an animal lover - politics seems to attract strange people.

I really wish Boris and Jeremy weren’t the front runners to run our country - how did this happen? Surely we deserve better choices than this.

ADarkandStormyKnight · 16/06/2019 12:40

Its not a binary choice, Gth1234.

Brexit will hurt the UK and economies of some of our neighbours. It will turn many people's lives upside down. It will not end austerity and could signal the end of the NHS.

billysboy · 16/06/2019 12:55

Rather have Boris and Esther than Jeremy and Dianne Abbot all day long

ADarkandStormyKnight · 16/06/2019 12:57

Its not about 'Boris' or 'Jeremy'.

Its about our laws and our values. Tory values are destroying this country.

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