AIBU to say that if you work in child protection you shouldn't post pictures of yourself wanking at work in fetish gear?

[ArcheryAnnie]

People do all kinds of things in their private life, and - as long as it's all consensual, and involving adults, in private - that's absolutely fine with me. Even if it involves fetish stuff that I find deeply unsexy. It's your private time and your business.

But if you bring your fetish into work, that's really inappropriate. Involving other people in your kink without their consent is not OK.

If you bring your fetish into work and take time to entertain yourself in the loos with it, that's way, way beyond really inappropriate.

If you work in child protection campaigning, and bring your fetish into work, and take time to entertain yourself in the loos with it, and take a photo of yourself while doing it, and upload that photo onto the internet, then you probably need to consider whether a career in child protection is really for you.

(And if you are doing this while working on campaigns about abused and neglected children, you should not be surprised when people ask what made you so aroused.)

And dear NSPCC - who I used to have a direct debit to, and who used to be in my will - people objecting to this are not being homophobic or "bullying". Many of who are objecting to your staff member's actions are ourselves gay. We just seem to have a better grasp of safeguarding than you do.

I don't think I would have got away with talking back to a teacher like that. There are ways of doing things and ways of doing things. Even if you disagree with a school policy, there is still such a thing as being disruptive in class, talking back etc.

But the teacher wasn't bothered about him talking back really was he? The teacher was getting cross because the student kept on saying the only genders (sexes) are male and female. That was the problem for the teacher seemingly.

The student wasn't being disrespectful towards the teacher, he wasn't calling him names or anything, he was pretty calm.

To be honest, I'm slightly more concerned about the student filming the teacher in school.

I thought the opposite. He's been kicked out of class for recognising reality. He seems remarkably restrained to me.

The kid was saying things that went against school policy on inclusivness. And from what the teacher was saying, he didn't just state disagreement once, he kept arguing the toss. And it is the fact he kept on is what got him excluded from whatever lesson it was. Which is not the same as kicking someone out just for stating something disliked.

There is a time and a place for everything, and the teacher was not obligated to enter into a protracted dispute with a student over a point that may have had nothing to do with the lesson.

There is a time and a place for everything, and the teacher was not obligated to enter into a protracted dispute with a student over a point that may have had nothing to do with the lesson.

If you follow the links Japab, it was the teacher who raised it. Unrelated to the lesson.

The kid was saying things that went against school policy on inclusivness. And from what the teacher was saying, he didn't just state disagreement once, he kept arguing the toss

And yes. That's the whole point. The appeal to authority (he actually keeps saying 'the authorities') to make him deny reality is chilling.

The teacher genuinely seemed scared of 'the authorities' in that video.

The kid was saying things that went against school policy on inclusivness.

He said the only two genders were male and female.

Do you think a teenage child should not 'argue the toss' that there is only male and female and everything else is personality? Do you not believe that basic critical thinking should be encouraged amongst out future generations?

JAPAB

To be honest if you want to be a goady fucker, I think you would have been better going down the 'is it right to film teachers' route than the route you have gone down. At least that would have had a bit more traction. Just sayin' for next time...

And yes. That's the whole point. The appeal to authority (he actually keeps saying 'the authorities') to make him deny reality is chilling.

Do we know enough to know whether the teacher was asserting that there are more than two sexes. He could have meant genders and just be expressing that the form should have more gender options. So maynbe mnot actually be 'denying reality'?

If you follow the links Japab, it was the teacher who raised it. Unrelated to the lesson.

Yes, sometimes teachers make a comment as an aside. That still doesn't obligate them to then have to enter into extended disputes about it in the lesson.

JAPAB

Why do you do this? You always completely refuse to address any actual arguments around gender critical theory.

In previous threads I’ve come to the conclusion that you’re just an MRA who gets a kick out of wasting women’s time by mansplaining irrelevancies, but y’know, I might be wrong?

Do we know enough to know whether the teacher was asserting that there are more than two sexes. He could have meant genders and just be expressing that the form should have more gender options. So maynbe mnot actually be 'denying reality'?

'Gender' itself is a belief system with no grounding in science or reality. It would be akin to saying that 'the authorities' insist that you believe in God.

Out of interest, if there are more than two 'genders' could you list them please?

Do we know enough to know whether the teacher was asserting that there are more than two sexes. He could have meant genders and just be expressing that the form should have more gender options. So maynbe mnot actually be 'denying reality'?

That there are a number of distinct genders is an ideological position informed by Queer Theory.

The majority of people use gender as a euphemism for sex and will therefore know that humans are either male or female.

The pupil makes clear when he says 'there are two genders, male & female' he is using it in this context.

Schools should not be enforcing ideology which is the point in the exchange.

The teacher acknowledges that he is believes he is required to due to regulations.

Yes, sometimes teachers make a comment as an aside. That still doesn't obligate them to then have to enter into extended disputes about it in the lesson.

Indeed. Don't you get itchy with all that straw?!

Do you think a teenage child should not 'argue the toss' that there is only male and female and everything else is personality? Do you not believe that basic critical thinking should be encouraged amongst out future generations?

Yes but in the right time and place. Which might not be in the middle of a maths lesson, for example.

To be honest if you want to be a goady fucker, I think you would have been better going down the 'is it right to film teachers' route than the route you have gone down. At least that would have had a bit more traction. Just sayin' for next time...

Have it your way then. The teacher asserted that there were more than two sexes. He made a one-off statement disagreeing with that and was immediately kicked out just for making a statement that was disliked. It's just like 1984 etc.

The reference to authority is a reference to the local education authority which is a phrase that any older teacher in Scotland would be familiar with. The education authority is in charge of the schools in its area. There's absolutely nothing sinister about it at all.

I'm very uncomfortable with the teacher being filmed. All kinds of wrong.

The reference to authority is a reference to the local education authority

Yes, very likely. But (apparently) the teacher brought it up, in a PSHE lesson, and completely unrelated to the content of that lesson. So having brought it up, seemed unable to defend it, except by appealing to authority. The fact that the authority is the education authority is neither here nor there.

Claiming there are more than two sexes isn't defendable. There is nowhere to go with it, other than compelled speech.

Indeed. Don't you get itchy with all that straw?!

What straw? My position is that characterising this as a kid getting kicked out of a lesson just for 'stating reality' is probably not accurate to what happened. If there are any strawmen around here then that is where you'll most likely find them.

See, JAP now you want to discuss what it is that you have said that is an obvious attempt to divert.

Every thread, that’s what you do.

The majority of people use gender as a euphemism for sex and will therefore know that humans are either male or female.

Yes but when a specific individual says that there should be more options on a form than male or female it is reasonable to infer that they are talking about other GENDERS.

And yes, people should be allowed to question authority, but the time and place thing.

Yes but when a specific individual says that there should be more options on a form than male or female it is reasonable to infer that they are talking about other GENDERS.

Could you please explain what you mean by 'genders' in this context? And how insisting on belief in multiple genders is different to insisting on belief in God?

How has a discussion about is it acceptable to wank at work and film it turned into an argument about gender? I can’t see any connection at all between the two.

Can we get back on track?

blimey wasn't he recalcitrant and disrespectful

No he wasn’t. By his voice he sounds quite mature and probably a senior pupil within the school. I’d actually be proud that I’d raised a son at that stage who could hold his own and maintain his scientific based stance in the face of ideological bollocks and I’d be up there ripping the head teacher a new arsehole as well?

I can completely believe, particularly in Scotland who are just about to ratify self ID, that you're not allowed to say there are only two sexes.

If the teacher was actually talking about gender, they would have to have had 70 or 80 different boxes. Even more unrealistic.

We have no idea what happened before this clip was filmed. Absolutely no idea. Which is why he should not have been filmed And it should not be being circulated.

And he didn't appeal to authority. He was talking about the authority, his employers, who implement government policy. He could just as easily used the term education department.

Genuine question - if a heterosexual male had dressed up at work, wanked, filmed himself and put it on line do you think he would still be working for NSPCC.

I think he’d have been dismissed in a shot. Trying to suggest that people making a fuss about this is homophobia is damaging and will likely increase intolerance.

And he didn't appeal to authority. He was talking about the authority, his employers, who implement government policy. He could just as easily used the term education department.

That is an appeal to authority though, isn't it?

There is no evidence to suggest there are more than two sexes. Therefore it's an appeal to authority, whether it's an actual authority, the government, or the department of education. There is no evidence, therefore you are relying on the authority's word.

That is an appeal to authority.

So don't target a man doing his job then. Unless we are saying that teachers should not have guidelines of policies to adhere to? Just because this particular one isn't to your taste.