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AIBU?

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Neighbour's child keeps screaming and crying

154 replies

Mango77 · 12/06/2019 09:00

In the small block of 6 flats next to our house, several days a week, for about a year. Some families are noisy, kids cry, some make a fuss about nothing, I know that and don't want to be an interfering busybody. But it's going on and on. We've lived here a year and it only stopped in the winter, not sure if we just couldn't hear cos windows were shut or poss her DH was away for a while.

I rarely see her and I'm not sure which flat she's in. At the moment we are on friendly but distant 'hello in passing' terms. If she was my age and middle-class and I was confident and drank alcohol I could go round there with a bottle of wine and say, "Are you OK? Let me babysit when it all gets too much." but she's about 30 years younger than me, I'm quite shy and don't drink, she's working-class and rather aggressive in her manner and her DP is a scary bodybuilder type. My accent makes me come across as patronising (probably I am) and she would almost certainly tell me to f**k off.

I know what you're going to say. "Phone social services."

But they would know it was us because no one else lives near enough to hear. SS would do nothing and we would be in danger from her DH. Also we want to get planning permission soon for changes to our house and they could easily stir up all the other neighbours to object. We want to live here for the rest of our lives. If I report her, we WILL have to move, probably after years of hell from her.

AIBU to do nothing? WWYD?

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Jemima232 · 12/06/2019 11:13

Jeez. @Gardai

Don't ask for a diagram.

Gardai · 12/06/2019 11:19

I don't get the geography, I'm a literal person. I am imagining a detached villa with a 1960's style 3 storey block of flats beside it in a wasteland,.
With WC kid screaming like a banshee out a window being restrained by a buff over tanned bodybuilder...but no visible bruises.

Mango77 · 12/06/2019 11:20

@Lweji It is funny, though, because, OP, if you perceived her as middle class you'd offer to help, but perceiving her as working class you think of reporting her.

No, it's more that if I felt I had any common ground with her whatsoever, I'd offer to help, but as I don't, I thought reporting her or doing nothing were the only other options. I can see why you'd think that, though. Offers of help from someone you consider to be your equal are often received very differently from someone who is in a different social class or economic group.

Frankly, I'm only surprised no one has picked up on my daring to mention the age difference and called me out as ageist as well! It's only a matter of time!

Luckily some PPs have been able to reassure me that constant bouts of screaming can be normal for this age, so I don't plan to take any action, other than chatting to her if I get the chance.

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Mango77 · 12/06/2019 11:21

Thank goodness no one on MN knows I have a toilet brush.... oops!

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LoafofSellotape · 12/06/2019 11:24

Am I the only person that "gets" what the OP is trying to say?

No you're not and all the disingenuous 'I can't get past the class comment' makes me roll my eyes even more than I do normally.

Kids do tantrum a lot OP, especially at this age. I would be very reluctant to report anything in case it came back on me especially as there's only 6 flats in the block. I suppose be friendly and monitor the situation?

MyNameIsRachel · 12/06/2019 11:25

Thank goodness no one on MN knows I have a toilet brush.... oops!

So you know what winds up MN users, OP

‘Busted’

Itssosunny · 12/06/2019 11:26

Thank goodness no one on MN knows I have a toilet brush.... oops

Hmm Is it good or bad to have one?

Gardai · 12/06/2019 11:26

I hope the toilet brush is gold plated OP and you've nice frilly nets in the bathroom Shock

Mango77 · 12/06/2019 11:28

@Gardai ROFL eewww no!

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Purplecatshopaholic · 12/06/2019 11:33

Mango - you have a toilet brush?? Oh Dear God! Move to somewhere far away and never dark on the MN door again....

HappyHammy · 12/06/2019 11:35

You do have common ground with her. You are both equal human beings. Show her some kindness.

Lemonlady22 · 12/06/2019 11:35

my ndn 10 month old baby screams and cries all the time...they also have a 3 year old that i hardly ever heard when he was a baby. I said to the mum that i heard her crying the other morning and asked if she was ill, mum said 'no shes a miserable baby and cries all the time, which is so different from their first child'.... and she isnt having anymore lol

Mango77 · 12/06/2019 11:37

@Purplecatshopaholic Well, yes, I realise it's much better for the environment to pour bucket-loads of bleach down your loo before every flush, but somehow I can't enjoy leaving brown smears for the next user.

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SnowyAlpsandPeaks · 12/06/2019 11:41

What concerns me the most about this post is you are claiming to have concern for a child, but are more worried about making a complaint because it may harm your planning application. Give your head a huge bloody wobble ffs.

Mango77 · 12/06/2019 11:47

@SnowyAlpsandPeaks I'm not MORE worried about it than a child's safety, but it is an issue that's important to me and it's relevant to the discussion.

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Flowerrose · 12/06/2019 11:48

Surely if it's a block of flats they'd be more likely to presume it's someone living above, below or next to them reporting them for noise not the detatched house next to the flats

stayorgonow · 12/06/2019 11:51

One of mine cried all the time (and has started again approaching 9 - teenage tantrums already, apparently).

She wasn't unhappy, just hated sleeping, would cry if I left her room (literally used to creep out when she was asleep, then floorboards creaked, eyes opened, and all hell broke loose). She'd wake again at 2am, then up at 6am. It was a phase, it passed, but when I was too whacked to keep my eyes open she cried, then my neighbours banged on the wall, so I had to try to stay awake and entertain her.

My other neighbour, an older woman, was very concerned a few years ago though. I'd gone to psychology session, and left DD with her dad (school hols). DD was going through an unexpected clingy stage, and she cried as she didn't want me to leave, ran up the path (so DH got her in and put the chain on). She got my DH who found my neighbour calling her through the letterbox, asking her to open the door.

Turned out she hadn't realised DH was in, so thought I'd left her alone. I was instantly grateful someone was looking out for her, then Hmm that she thought I'd ever leave a young child alone!

New neighbours have a baby that cries all the time. I remember it well, and know it's 'normal' and nothing concerning.

Three year olds can be little horrors (and can try the patience of a saint, never mind a parent), but if you think the crying is in fear (and they do sound quite different - or could stop all together, as abused children can be unusually quiet), then call SS.

I'd think the better solution would be to try to befriend the mother. Age/class/interests aside, she's seems friendly you said, so maybe try to engage her a bit. People of all ages, classes and creeds can and are friends, so reaching out would give a better perspective (and ignore the BF, you're not befriending him).

HollowTalk · 12/06/2019 11:52

It’s a socio-economic position

It's the "socio" bit that the OP is talking about. Being M/C isn't a purely economic factor; it's all the other things the OP mentioned.

NCbilliontimes · 12/06/2019 11:52

My accent makes me come across as patronising (probably I am) and she would almost certainly tell me to fk off.

It’s not your accent, it’s your attitude, your post is patronising. So what if she’s 30 years younger? So what if she’s “working class” you live right next to her, how does that make you superior? Why would she let a stranger babysit following a bottle of wine and a girly chat anyway? That really would make her a shit mother. Get over yourself. Put some headphones on, listen to Enya and read Hello magazine instead of hanging out of the window observing the peasants as if they were in some kind of benefits safari park.

2toddlers · 12/06/2019 11:53

You clearly aren’t middle classed if you are slumming it in a flat next door to some working class lol. If I was genuinely concerned about a child I’d put the safety of that child before my planning permission application, it must be a middle class thing putting your house renovations first I guess?

HappyHammy · 12/06/2019 11:55

Poor neighbour. I hope her child is ok..

FrenchJunebug · 12/06/2019 12:01

so you've never spoke to this woman or her boyfriend by from you already assume that herupbringing, behaviour, education, accent, jobs and attitude to life are working class?!

RiversDisguise · 12/06/2019 12:04

What kind of planning application, OP? New shed or underground cinema/bowling alley/casino type job?

Passthecherrycoke · 12/06/2019 12:05

OP your views are SO weird That on the face of it id be more concerned about the environment your children are growing up in than hers Shock

What should you do? Nothing! You’re not even describing the problem very well, just self obsessing on your judgements of her.

Amazingly, she probably won’t give a shite if you’re Kate Middleton, she may well have the emotional intelligence and maturity to interact with people from different background to her own- she could probably teach you a thing or two

Lweji · 12/06/2019 12:08

But, if you are concerned about the child's safety, why would you take a bottle of wine to the imaginary middle class woman and offer to babysit?
If the child was in danger, what makes you think a woman would be more welcoming of you just for being middle class?
And wouldn't you think getting the mother to drink might endanger the child even more?

It is an incredibly odd post.