To be deeply saddened by a teenager being euthanised **Upsetting content - warning added by MNHQ** ***MNHQ further note that the details of this story are disputed***

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I am greatly aware of our rights and understand autonomy but as far as I can see this young Dutch girl, Noa, did not end her own life but was assisted.

My heart goes out to her and her family but this is my absolute reason why euthanasia should not be supported.

Surely its suicide, not euthanasia? (euthanasia belongs to the animal world doesn't it?, why call it euthanasia?)

I'm afraid this happens in the Netherlands. I watched a documentary about a young Dutch woman in her early 20s who was euthanized due to depression. She didn't have a history of abuse. She was just sad and depressed and thought life wasn't worth living. So she decided to die and was supported in doing so by the authorities and the health service.

Distressing case

Giving up on a 17 year old girl

Yes, my body, my choice

Some posters on here would force people with MH or physical problems to suffer until they die of old age
Even if you don't agee with euthenasia, that is irrelevant here: it was suicide

Noa had been subjected to horribly intrusive meaures for months and years to prevent her committng suicide
Eventually, it was just too cruel and too long to continue these measures

There are other posts on this. She was not assisted, she chose to stop eating and drinking and really committed suicide. It’s all headline lies

I'm afraid this happens in the Netherlands. I watched a documentary about a young Dutch woman in her early 20s who was euthanized due to depression. She didn't have a history of abuse. She was just sad and depressed and thought life wasn't worth living. So she decided to die and was supported in doing so by the authorities and the health service

I saw this been trying to remember where i saw it and what it was called she was just miserable being alive wasn't she? it was awful .

Euthanasia means to end pain and suffering it doesn't just apply to sick animals .

I'm stunned that a modern European country has no mental health care.

They do! But hey, believe the DM. It's worked really well for the UK to do so over the past 9 years, MH provision here has really benefited from their type of propaganda.

I think this option should be available everywhere. I think it’s cruel people have no choice but to suffer or commit suicide in painful/traumatic ways when this is a much more peaceful option that won’t traumatise anyone finding a body etc or dealing with someone very unwell. May she rest in peace and be free of pain.

How tragically sad poor poor Noa

Some people no matter how intense and good the support they get is never is enough the pain is just too much for them to deal with

I wish she had got better support so that she didn’t feel this was the best choice for her to take her own life but she may have still felt her life wasn’t worth living

It’s tragic

Is it this one? @PierreBezukov

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/amp/stories-45117163

I'm wondering what treatment those who think Noa was failed would have advocated? They had already tried various treatments, including in residential units, and even resorted to long term force feeding and imprisonment to stop her from starving herself or otherwise killing herself as her determination to die was so strong. If it is generally accepted that anorexics are not mentally capable of getting better until they get up to a certain weight and thus either need to want to get better sufficiently strongly to accept treatment or be force fed for a while, then what happens to those people who still don't want to get better after force feeding? Or those for whom the trauma of force feeding makes them feel even more violated and even more desperate to die? How many times do you have to repeat the same forceful actions before you decide they are not having the desired effect? And how else can you stop someone from deliberately starving themself to the point of organ failure and death?

@Chloemol- do you have links? All the links so far given do say it was euthanasia, not starvation.

I suspect there is a lot more to this than face value but I am uncomfortable with the concept of euthanisia when there are severe mental health issues (however I am a general supporter of euthanasia). I have seen first hand how irrational and confused people going through a mental health episode can be. There is a very sound reason why there are powers to detain people under section and quite clearly someone that poorly is not in a position to adequately consent or not.

I don't agree that this should be allowed to happen. When you're mentally ill you can not imagine a time where you could one day feel better. But that doesn't mean it can't happen.

I'm really shocked that children as young as 12 can be euthanised in the Netherlands.

I'm really shocked that children as young as 12 can be euthanised in the Netherlands.

If you've ever sat by your child who's dying of cancer or some other awful disease you'd not be so shocked . Sadly there are quite a few terminal diseases for which there is truly no way to completely ameliorate the pain and suffering that go with them.

A friend's daughter relapsed of a rare form of sarcoma when she was 11. It spread to her lungs and abdomen. There was too much tumour to intubate her and no matter how much drugs she got, she never truly settled because of the innate panic that comes from not being able to breathe properly. It took 3 fucking weeks for that child to day, suffocating slowly.

You wouldn't do that a dog.

And FFS, she was not euthanised! She killed herself.

She didn't get euthanasia. The British newspapers are not correct in their articles. She decided to commit suicide by nit eating and drinking. It is not possible in the Netherlandsto get euthanasia for depression.

God bless her, what a terrible loss for her parents, it must be like loosing her twice. I hope she can rest quietly now👼🏻

I think when there is a terminal illness that is a different matter than someone who is not of sound mind and feels hopeless.

So are the sources wrong in saying she used a Euthanasia clinic?

@SD1978

You ask for articles where it said that she killed herself:

www.ad.nl/binnenland/noa-is-17-jaar-geworden-ik-word-losgelaten-omdat-mijn-lijden-ondraaglijk-is~a7a2cc47/

www.welingelichtekringen.nl/samenleving/924889/noa-17-is-na-ondraaglijk-psychisch-lijden-overleden-na-jaren-strijden-en-vechten-is-het-op.html

She asked for euthanasia, but she didn't get it.

Sometimes loving means letting go.

It is sad that she was in so much pain but I do wish we had euthanasia for severe MH here. (A programme where in order to enter it people would have to complete x amount of counselling, that way they get the support they need & it may limit suicide due to things like heartbreak)

We don’t get to choose whether we are born & whilst some people have ‘regular’ lives, others are filled with pain and torment and awful circumstances. It is not an option I would choose myself, but the option to end someone’s pain should be available.

She asked for euthanasia but she didn't get it. She then committed suicide.

I would certainly not deny that anorexia is a really complex MH condition. It's very very hard to treat. I've read about Nikki Grahame and how she grew up in eating disorder clinics and was so severely anorexic that she would yank out feeding tubes and cause injury and scarring. But she is still here today.

I can't help but think someone failed this girl. Death is so final.

These are partly her own words:
Ze informeert bij de Levenseindekliniek in Den Haag, maar die kunnen haar niet helpen. “Ze vinden me te jong om dood te gaan. Ze vinden dat ik de traumabehandeling moet afronden en dat mijn hersenen eerst volgroeid moeten zijn. Dat duurt tot je 21ste. Ik ben er kapot van, want zo lang kan ik niet meer wachten.’’
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Translation:*
She inquires at the Levenseind clinic in The Hague, but they cannot help her. “They think I'm too young to die. They think I should complete the trauma treatment and that my brain must first be fully grown. That lasts until you are 21. I'm devastated, because I can't wait that long anymore. "