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To be selfish and not support my husband’s career?

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coco123456789 · 01/06/2019 17:32

My husband has a great job but it is very niche. Opportunities are few and far between and very sought after. He has been headhunted for a job which is a great career move for him, and is the next (final) rung on the ladder to his ultimate job. He is over the moon to have been sought out in this way. However...it is overseas and I really don’t want to move abroad. We have such a lovely life. 2 young kids very happy in their (state) primary school, a toddler, family nearby, friends and a very nice way of life. I don’t have to work, but have always done a bit of part time work. The only issue is that my DH works really crazy hours and is really frustrated in his job as he knows he needs to move forward - but has gone as far as he can where he is. He is very very stressed by his job and has no time for hobbies. So I guess maybe my life to me seems brilliant, but to him his life isn’t and he really wants to fulfil his career goals and not work so many hours. I find it really hard to understand as I am not a career person and get no sense of identity from work. Am I selfish to not want to go? I am so scared of the upheaval. It would be for 3-5 years but even that is too long for me. It’s not lost on me that we only have this comfortable life because of his job though. If he doesn’t take it, I think he could become even more down (he has been very down the last couple of years and it has caused a lot of tension between us). In a marriage should I do these things to support him? I am trying to imagine what it would be like if it was the other way around. If I had a really strong dream and opportunity I wanted to fulfil and he held me back. I would resent him I guess. Anyway, any guidance would be great!

OP posts:
SarahTancredi · 02/06/2019 22:36

coco

I may be completely misunderstanding or reading into stuff that's not there. But it does sound like hes trying to make out that you are a problem somehow. That theres something wrong with you and that's why hes miserable. That its you that needs to change. The constant " I'm happy with how things are" makes me wonder if really you are just trying to convince yourself you are happy.

You are making it sound more and more like hes trying to convince you your the problem. And this makes it sound like the beginnings of a set up where you will be left isolated and dependent with no-one and no job to go to.

Your fears arent fears because its out of
your control and terrifying. The fears are actually very real and a very real possibility.

I'm worried you are starting to think you are somehow crazy here and it's going to play right into his hands

Again apologies if I'm wrong

Charley50 · 02/06/2019 22:43

I agree that it sounds like he is blaming you for things in general. Even qualities which are pretty positive, being organised and planning things, he paints as a negative in you.
Presumably to move continents with 3 young children, it helps to have a very good idea what you're getting into.

SarahTancredi · 02/06/2019 22:56

Yes why is being organised a bad thing?

With three kids to get up fed dressed and to school of course life is pretty regimented.

Of course holidays are booked how else can he book dates off work with sufficient notice and you ensure the dates are in school holidays etc and that you can get seats together etc

How is he planning on ensuring he can get to an interview? Has he looked into what the housing costs are near suitable schools? Has he looked into work permits or visas or whatever?

Has he found out what moving costs would be etc

Without any of this relevant and important information to ensure I wasnt stuck in a tiny apartment 40 floors up with no lift and 50 miles from the nearest half decent school then how are you supposed to feel...

Jaspermcsween · 02/06/2019 23:11

sparklyleprechaun
”Just stop being so selfish. Why don't you try working crazy hours with no time to relax and then see how lovely your life is”

Harsh!
But 100% true

Smokesandeats · 02/06/2019 23:13

Your DH sounds selfish to put his career above you and the DCs wellbeing when he has a choice not to uproot you all. If his career can’t progress without relocating could he move into a different job which is less stressful and do the vocational activity in his spare time as an expert amateur?

SarahTancredi · 02/06/2019 23:28

Harsh!
But 100% true

But how often are these "crazy hours" self inflicted.

We read alot on MN of husbands who get up early hit the gym then go to work then theres meetings and networkingthe pub all while their wife covers everything else.

Of course work is always far to hectic for the husband to take a morning off when the mum is vomiting in the sink while having the shits on the loo and breastfeeding a baby at the same time but suddenly when working from home fir the day they dont surface till ten. And of course there always a weeks holiday available for a stag do.

We don't know how much if these hours are reality necessary. He could well be able to leave far earlier or work from home sometimes and choose not too...

coco123456789 · 02/06/2019 23:34

I am feeling very blamed about everything, people are right on that. I feel like either I go, or we stay and it all falls apart from his resentment of this missed opportunity. Not a great situation to be in!
I’m starting to feel like this is a mid life crisis. There has never before been even the slightest discussion of a move abroad. Now suddenly he wants adventure and to seize the day etc.

OP posts:
KarmaStar · 02/06/2019 23:36

I'd defiantly support him and go,it's a fantastic opportunity to do something different!
Ten years down the line,you might find life becoming a little too humdrum and you will regret not taking this opportunity.
Wonderful for your dc also,widen their experience,make new friends whilst maintaining contact with current ones.
You could rent your home out whilst away...
I would be packing now!😀

SarahTancredi · 02/06/2019 23:40

Has there been any practical discussion.

It's all very well it being his dream job but has he discussed basics with you such as living arrangements. Car hire/purchase . Where is this place. Is it somewhere accessible so if you run out of nappies or need a loaf of bread you can pop to the shop ten mins down the road? Or is it in the middle of no where and if you get a puncture you are stranded no signal and one car goes past every 2 weeks?

Surely that would be the first thing to look at before you even think about it..

Zofloramummy · 02/06/2019 23:41

I think you are right coco, if you don’t go I think your marriage will end. But it is likely to end if you do go. You’ll be alone and isolated and resentful. He’ll be forging new working relationships as well as working long hours. Worst case scenario is that he doesn’t want to come back and you are stuck there until your youngest is 18. I think the more you are saying about him blaming you the more my alarm bells are saying don’t go!

Charley50 · 02/06/2019 23:48

Instead of selling it to you by discussing the options and the lifestyle you could have over there, the great schools, the places you can visit at the weekends, he's trying to guilt you into going by making you feel bad. This isn't good communication. Has he actually done any research into the practicalities?

Personally I think your DH sounds like a bit of a knob. Maybe he should go for a year himself, and you all visit him. As has been suggested.

FlapAttack23 · 03/06/2019 00:15

This is so similar to my position.

My husband is leaving in summer. I couldn’t go with him with how he was behaving.. not with a rocky relationship and him critiquing lots about me. He told me he’d be going with or without me as life here in uk too hard. We have had a tough few years and a lot on with a house move and unwell child. DH also has a new medical diagnosis with ongoing tests still running. I had tough HG pregnancies and probably some form
Of depression following it but it’s been hard to tell with how difficult circumstances have been. I am currently seeing a counsellor and that has been helpful.

Life here has been hard and he told me he’d be going with or without me knowing that puts me in an impossible position as I have no idea how I will cope alone. I work 3 days a week in a demanding job and no family support nearby . Our children are young and with illness have been incredibly demanding emotionally and physically .

If he’d have approached the situation differently I’d probably have agreed to go. But to feel bullied into it and with him not rating me I didn’t want to become his dependent and then there be a power imbalance leaving me vulnerable. Him having all the money and housing allowance, him having free education package for our children, him being able to decide if they can leave if I want to go or not. Would that power imbalance mean he’d feel he could push his ideas and wishes with parenting styles etc over mine etc?

I am sure if I’d have gone it’d have been a hopefully happy life for boys. Lots of benefits etc and having their dad there. I wake up most days wondering if I’ve made a terrible mistake as I wasn’t ready to give up on my marriage and I wouldn’t have left my husband even though his behaviour was unpleasant at the moment. I’d have stuck with him and tried to support him. I offered to work more days etc so he could drop from 4 days to 3 and me move up from 3 to 4. I suggested an easier Job he said no.

He wants the amazing package of this overseas thing and the excitement of a big move. Thinks our children will benefit hugely from private education and that Britain in going down the pan with brexit. That education is awful here. He says we could sell all our furniture etc we it’s all crap anyway then rent out house.

The fact he shows so little appreciation of what we have here worries me as it won’t all be rosy over there. I worry his health might deteriorate and then we’d have to up and leave. I worry he’d love it there and I’d hate it and he’d not let me bring children home. I even got offered my own very well paid per time job out there but I’d have still been his dependent as only one housing package per family . I withdrew.

I worry for the future now waiting to see how children will cope without their dad, with how I will cope alone with them. Not looking forward to the selfies form their dad and messages saying how great it all is. I’d only move out if I secured another job and that’s hard to do.. 80 people applied for my post .

But I had to make a choice for me right now and for me the boys security and stability and my own was most important . Moving to the other side of the world under ultimatum with a man being unpleasant and unkind to me wasn’t appealing when I’d be becoming his dependent and losing my own social support and independence. I’d miss being able to visit my mum who is a five hour drive away and my local and less local friends. I didn’t want to lose my job or their school/nursery places on his whim, no matter how attractive on paper.

It’s a big decision and I really think your choice depends a lot on the strength of your marriage and amount of trust and respect you have for each other . I don’t envy you having this choice still to make . If things were a bit better between me and my DH I’d have gone to support him even though I’d be very scared about the move and it not being my cup of tea.. I am a country mouse and enjoy the little things likes pottering in the garden 😂

FlapAttack23 · 03/06/2019 00:26

He is going to visit and we will visit him too and maybe in twelve months we will move out or he will move back or it will carry on as it is 🤷‍♀️ Hopefully things will work out.

KatherineJaneway · 03/06/2019 06:35

I’m starting to feel like this is a mid life crisis. There has never before been even the slightest discussion of a move abroad. Now suddenly he wants adventure and to seize the day etc.

You say you like structure and control, maybe he is getting sick of that way of living.

Frusty · 03/06/2019 06:59

Well great then Katherine, he can go off and have his adventure.
Most of us i think tried to fit our adventuring in before settling down with three small children.

Upordown · 03/06/2019 07:19

Is he putting any thought inro the children and you or is it just about his career and you just do all the rest. I mean is he looking at schools, places to live, work rights for you etc. Or does he just get to focus on whats right dor him and you'll so the rest. Being in a strange country with no right to work and a dh that is home for an hour a day will be pretty hard and lonely. You seem to be looking at it from his sidw vut is he seeing it from your side? Is he aw to reassure that he'll be home more because his dedication to his vocation will have a bigger impact when it's just the 5 of you.

TanMateix · 03/06/2019 07:41

I’m pretty sure that if the OP was a man saying that he is happy with his life as it is, and her wife was saying she want to pursue a dream of a job overseas, people would be telling her she was selfish.

Because regardless of what we say nowadays, it continues to be expected that the wife has to support whatever endeavours a man can have to her own detriment. So what if she is un happy? It comes with being a wife. How very selfish of her.

QueenoftheBiscuitTin · 03/06/2019 07:55

I don't think OP is being selfish. Moving to the other side of the world is a very difficult decision.

MarshaBradyo · 03/06/2019 08:02

If it was the dh who worked two days a week and was absolutely happy with a lovely life while wife was unhappy, stressed working too hard - the posts would give him a hard time

Mix56 · 03/06/2019 08:19

Remember if you accept the job proposed, you will rapidly meet new people & have a social network. people telling you of events on at the w/e etc. it would be different if you were shut up at home & only met people at the school gate.
I also wonder if he goes on his own how long till he finds a new female friend, sorry, but I do.

TanMateix · 03/06/2019 08:20

OP, we moved around a lot as children, my father always went first, both him and may mother would find a house and checked schools but wouldn’t make the move until the end of the school year, even if that was waiting for a year as they wanted to be sure the move was worth it before moving us all.

Possibly abit if a compromise there?

clutterqu33n · 03/06/2019 08:22

Coco, what do you want to do then? you are completely avoiding this question? is it ok with you to have an utterly miserable DH as long as your lovely life ticks along fine?

I am not saying move. I get why you don't want. but what do you want to change then?

Alsohuman · 03/06/2019 08:38

OP, I suggest you buy The Times today and read the article about marriage in the supplement. It could have been written for you.

Thedilemma111 · 03/06/2019 09:17

OP , you are really smart . Sounds like you are looking for an excuse not to go , by now suggesting this is a midlife crisis he is having.

Clearly this isn’t a midlife crisis , he always wanted a new job and you are looking for a way out of this .

feelingsinister · 03/06/2019 09:21

Give the OP a break! It's not a partnership if he clicks his fingers and says he wants to move thousands of miles and she just has to follow. She has a life herself and a right to an opinion.

Why do his needs have to come above hers?